lori milne said:
I'll try and find scripture showing the Hebrews were Jewish Christians who fell back to the law
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lori milne said:Falling back to the law according to Paul was sinning " sorry correction Some scholars today believe the document was written to prevent apostasy.[26] Some have interpreted apostasy to mean a number of different things, such as a group of Christians in one sect leaving for another more conservative sect, one of which the author disapproves. Some have seen apostasy as a move from the Christian assembly to pagan ritual. In light of a possibly Jewish-Christian audience, the apostasy in this sense may be in regard to Jewish-Christians leaving the Christian assembly to return to the Jewish synagogue. The author writes, "Let us hold fast to our confession".[4:14]
I don't see how this OP even addresses the title of this thread. What, specifically, is there that Jesus said to lead one to the idea that one can lose their salvation?My theology is a personal search for truth
Not false ideas that aren't even in the. Bible!!
I base all my believes only on jesus direct teachings and Matt mark luke John Peter
Paul i like to use but I notice some OSAS believers twisting or misinterpreting a lot of it!
Which compared to jesus teaching should be clear!! Amen!!
Why are all of jesus teachings being overlooked!
Is it because people don't want to be judged condemned they want there cake and to eat it to !
Jesus speaks clearly about repenting why is it something not being practiced??
One doesn't have to read anything by Calvin to be a Calvinist. One merely has to read many authors who have either read him or read others who have read him, and follow his line of thought.Although I've read very little Calvin, I don't mind the title because it's an easy identifier.
One doesn't have to read anything by Calvin to be a Calvinist. One merely has to read many authors who have either read him or read others who have read him, and follow his line of thought.
Some pastors who follow his line of thought:
MacArthur, Piper, Sproul, Martin Lloyd Jones, Pink, Hodge.
FreeGrace2 said:I don't see how this OP even addresses the title of this thread. What, specifically, is there that Jesus said to lead one to the idea that one can lose their salvation?
The versus are not just what tells me that
Every word of jesus tells
Me that and I can't copy and past all day cuz that's how longboat would take !
If I'm wrong then that would mean the bible has direct contradictions in it !
If you can t fall then would imply we have no free will hence God is allowing some to go to hell and some not.
But I think you know we have free will!?
The fact that it doesn't say one can't
Is enough but it does say one can in many many portions
Also the guy who came up with this theory was a Freemason that alone tells me if you do the historical searching. Super scary to think
Here is a clear one
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils
1 Timothy‬ 4:1
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall 1 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]4-6, 11-12‬
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The verses are the mind of Christ. 1 Cor 2:16. The Bible is the Written Word, and Jesus is the Living Word.The versus are not just what tells me that
Every word of jesus tells
Me that
How about starting with 2 verses that seem to contradict?and I can't copy and past all day cuz that's how longboat would take !
We know that the Bible cannot have any contradictions because God is perfect. So, any verses that seem to contradict means that at least 1 of the verses is being misunderstood or improperly exegeted.If I'm wrong then that would mean the bible has direct contradictions in it !
The Bible speaks of some falling away, but that isn't saying they fall away from salvation. It means they have fallen away from believing or following the faith.If you can t fall then would imply we have no free will hence God is allowing some to go to hell and some not.
Yes, of course we do. But free will doesn't mean that we can give away our salvation.But I think you know we have free will!?
Please clarify what "one can't" means? Can't what?The fact that it doesn't say one can't
Is enough but it does say one can in many many portions
Tells you what? What does being a Freemason have to do with what the Bible says about eternal security.Also the guy who came up with this theory was a Freemason that alone tells me if you do the historical searching. Super scary to think
Jesus Himself noted that the second "believed for a while" and in time of testing "fell away". They fell away from their faith, believing.Here is a clear one
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils
1 Timothy‬ 4:1
In order for the Exodus generation to be examples for "us", meaning believers, they would have to be saved. Otherwise it would be apples and oranges, and they couldn't be examples as unbelievers. But they weren't faithful, and that doesn't please God. Heb 11:6.And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
What do we learn from this passage? That believers who displease God will experience the "sin unto death", or divine discipline in the form of physical death. We see the same principle in 1 Cor 11:30 regarding those believers who abused the Lord's Table.Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall 1 Corinthians‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]4-6, 11-12‬
KJV
#1 Yes.So free will means the ability to sin? So does God have free will?
#1 Yes.
#2 God is sovereign. Far beyond free will.
The verses are the mind of Christ. 1 Cor 2:16. The Bible is the Written Word, and Jesus is the Living Word.
How about starting with 2 verses that seem to contradict?
We know that the Bible cannot have any contradictions because God is perfect. So, any verses that seem to contradict means that at least 1 of the verses is being misunderstood or improperly exegeted.
The Bible speaks of some falling away, but that isn't saying they fall away from salvation. It means they have fallen away from believing or following the faith.
Yes, of course we do. But free will doesn't mean that we can give away our salvation.
Please clarify what "one can't" means? Can't what?
Tells you what? What does being a Freemason have to do with what the Bible says about eternal security.
Jesus Himself noted that the second "believed for a while" and in time of testing "fell away". They fell away from their faith, believing.
We don't save ourselves, and we can't hold our salvation. God does the saving and God does the holding. John 10:28-29 says so.
In order for the Exodus generation to be examples for "us", meaning believers, they would have to be saved. Otherwise it would be apples and oranges, and they couldn't be examples as unbelievers. But they weren't faithful, and that doesn't please God. Heb 11:6.
What do we learn from this passage? That believers who displease God will experience the "sin unto death", or divine discipline in the form of physical death. We see the same principle in 1 Cor 11:30 regarding those believers who abused the Lord's Table.
In addition to John 10:28-29 on eternal security, consider Rom 8:38-39. Paul says that "neither things present nor things future" an separate us from the Love of Christ." This means that regardless of what happens after we believe, we stay saved.
Also, Rom 6:23 says that the free gift of God is eternal life, and Rom 11:29 says that God's gifts are irrevocable. Wonderful promise!!
FreeGrace2 said:#1 Yes. #2 God is sovereign. Far beyond free will.
What I'll say is just this !! I'm saved by the blood of Jesus!
I'm not saved by grace!
That grace word can't and will never replace the blood of Jesus!
Jesus wins the battle so you decide
Is blood is FAITH he will free you from your sins so you can sin no more! Sated clearly by Jesus!
His flesh is the word so read it
GOD BLESS
Hammster said:Is Ephesians 2:8,9 in your bible?
the Other is Eph 2:5
The only two 2 place in the NT that says saved by grace!
Find out if living in sin is weighed
Your saved by the Blood of Jesus
It's satin that tries to replace the blood with grace
Because he hates the blood of Jesus!
Correct answers, none the less.It wasn't a general question. It went to her understanding.
Hammster said:Not exactly. The fact that we are saved by the blood of Christ is an act of grace. We don't earn it. We don't deserve it.
Salvation isn't not taken from any who is saved.Salvation is not taken from a Christian because that Christian sins.
Sorry, but Esau's birthright has nothing to do with our salvation. Wrong analogy. The free gift of God is eternal life (Rom 6:23) which is also irrevocable (Rom 11:29). This is irrefutable and undeniable.Heb. 12: 16 See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son.
Like the Hebrew writer shows our eternal life in heaven is a birthright while here on earth and a birthright cannot be stolen, taken away or even taken back by the Father, but like Esau you can sell it or give it away.
I do not see anything here that speaks of either selling or giving away your salvation. We are held in God's hand. Jn 10:28-29.Gal. 6: 8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9 Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. 10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
Please cite the source because Paul also said that eternal life is a gift of God and that God's gifts are irrevocable. And he used the same Greek word for "gift" in both Rom 6:23 and 11:29.Paul explains plainly that eternal life is the harvest in the future we do not want to give up, but that also teaches we can give it up.
No verse teaches that we can sell back our salvation.Our doing good stuff while here on earth (or better: our allowing God to work through us doing good stuff) is not to earn, payback or to allow us to hold on to our salvation. We want to continue to utilize Godly type Love and not get caught up in carnal type love so the huge Love Feast of Heaven (unselfish type Love only) still has value to us and not something we would sell on the cheap.
We're not saved by surrender. We're saved by grace through faith.As far as being saved by faith only without works, that is true, but just like the Prodigal son wimped out of taking the punishment he fully deserved and humbly returned to the Father, we must wimp out, give up surrender to our enemy God and that will allow God to shower us with His charity.
Grace will never replace the BLOOD of Jesus
Your meaning of it anyway!
It's not supported
And if it is then the bible contradicts it self
Which means we're all wrong!??
I'm pretty sue the made of grace movement is wrong and not JESUS
Yes I can say that God giving us his son is a gracious act but when do stop their!Hammster said:I never said grace replaces the blood. I said the blood of Christ is an act of grace.
What I'll say is just this !! I'm saved by the blood of Jesus!
I'm not saved by grace!Disagree with Paul? Eph 2:8 says we are saved by grace through faith. We are justified by faith in His blood. Rom 5:1.
It was by grace that Jesus died for you.That grace word can't and will never replace the blood of Jesus!
Of course He did.Jesus wins the battle so you decide
Could you provide a verse that says that?Is blood is FAITH he will free you from your sins so you can sin no more! Sated clearly by Jesus!
I have read it. Have you?His flesh is the word so read it
GOD BLESS
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