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EastCoastRemnant said:

Thats the ecumenical way... lets forget our differences and just all get along.

Definitely Greek philosophy at work, where there is no absolute truth...

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Indeed. I honestly don't know why anyone would propagate such an idea. I mean I wouldn't want to be part of a denomination that didn't believe that they had the truth in it's fullness so far as they understand the scriptures.

Stryder06 said:

So no one is right and no one is wrong? Is that how it's suppose to be?

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How it's supposed to be is that believers should know there are none who understand. This drives genuine humility, not pride or false modesty. A person who believes he is right will never see the ways in which he is wrong. Such a person is unteachable.

There is absolute truth, but men only see parts of it. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with the truth, only that there is something wrong with the people trying to understand it.

I can assure you that I have been wrong on many, many things in the past. I am confident that I am wrong on many things in the present (though I don't yet know what they are because I haven't yet seen my error).

I'm not sure why we would be afraid of ecumenicalism. We are called to unity, not discension. And I believe we can have a spirit of unity even if we disagree on points of doctrine. SotL provided a good example in the way he ended our recent discussion in the Fourth Commandment thread.

BFA

Byfaithalone1 said:

I'm not sure why we would be afraid of ecumenicalism.

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Oh.......wow.........no..........like.........really??

Let's see.. why should we be afraid of ecumenicalism. First off because ecumenicalism mixes truth and error. The very nature of ecumenicalism is confusion. Have you ever read the Book of Revelation? Do you know anything about the times we are living in?? I don't know about you, BFA, but I want to be united with God's people under the banner of Prince Emmanuel. The LORD is seeking those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth.

Byfaithalone1 said:

We are called to unity, not discension. And I believe we can have a spirit of unity even if we disagree on points of doctrine.

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The ecumenical movement is uniting spiritists, catholics who embrace evolution, and a myriad of pagan god worshippers. I'm really hoping for your sake you just didn't know anything about the ecumenical movement and that is why your comments were what they were..

Ladies and gentlemen, The LORD is coming.

SotL

Servant of the Lord said:

First off because ecumenicalism mixes truth and error.

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I admit that ecumenicalism may mean different things to different people. When I've been a part of an ecumenical activity, no one is asked to abandon what they believe. Rather, a group of believers work together to accomplish a shared goal (such as service or missions). After working together, the participants go their separate ways believing exactly as they did previously. In doing so, they have unity even though they disagree. It is this principle that I support.

Have you ever read the Book of Revelation?

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Indeed I have. It is all about who you know, not what you know. If our admittance into Heaven is based on getting the right answers on a theology exam, I suspect that Heaven will be a lonely place.

The ecumenical movement is uniting spiritists, catholics who embrace evolution, and a myriad of pagan god worshippers. I'm really hoping for your sake you just didn't know anything about the ecumenical movement and that is why your comments were what they were.

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Again, I concede that ecumenicalism could mean different things to different people. In my discussions here, I've found that many are even opposed to the idea of different denominations joining forces to pursue a service project.

Would you be offended by the idea of working with a Baptist group or a Methodist group to build houses through Habitat for Humanity? Is this how you view ecumenicalism?

Ladies and gentlemen, The LORD is coming.

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In fact, He already came and now the Spirit has guaranteed what is to come. We have nothing to fear. We don't even need to fear people who believe things that seem different to us.

BFA

Byfaithalone1 said:

I admit that ecumenicalism may mean different things to different people. The way I've seen ecumenicalism work in the area of the world where I am -- it seems that no one is asked to abandon what they believe. Rather, the version of ecumenicalism with which I have interacted allows believers to work together to accomplish a shared goal (such as service or missions). After working together, the participants go their separate ways believing exactly as they did previously.

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Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Byfaithalone1 said:

Indeed I have. It is all about who you know, not what you know. If our admittance into Heaven is based on getting the right answers on a theology exam, I suspect that Heaven will be a lonely place.

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So should we just put our Bibles down? After all its just about who we know, not what we know? Give me a break BFA. How do we learn to decipher from truth and error? Is it not from the Word?

Revelation 1:3
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Byfaithalone1 said:

Again, I concede that ecumenicalism could mean different things to different people. In my discussions here, I've found that many are even opposed to the idea of different denominations joining forces to pursue a service project. They include this in their definition of ecumenicalism. Would you?

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I am not interested in joining Babylon.

2 Corinthians 6:17
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

Byfaithalone1 said:

In fact, He already came. The Spirit has guaranteed what is to come. We have nothing to fear, including people who believe things that seem different to us.

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John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



SotL

You know SOL, that might or might not be true about the last day message, however, if we are not even conducting ourselves or even delivering the message so that it can be received....IOW, be competent, effective witnesses. So being so arrogant, and elitist. Acting like folks are beneanth us. Everyone is a goat until they do like we tell them, or join the "collective"(sorry, the Trekkie in me. LOL!!).

SOL, we do give decent lip service to believing there are "good people" in other denoms, but when we start beaking it down(just as you have) then the inferences are clear, even to me and I am on the "inside" so to speak.

I am SDA, and have no plans to leave the church, but we are so wrong in the way we portray the message given us. It won't be long before we will be like the Jews and God lkook to someone else to do the work.....if He hasn't already.

Servant of the Lord said:

Princessdi:

thanks for the reply, now I got it. I do agree that it is a little easier for us SDA's to get "puffed up" because of all the light that we have.

That being said, however, I do believe we as SDA's have God's last day message for the world. The Seventh Day Adventist Church has been entrusted with the responsibility to call God's people out of Babylon, lest they receive of her plagues..

Let's be careful with modern "movements" that try and take us away from what we have always known to be truth. The Bible and the SOP make it abundantly clear that many will apostasize and depart from the faith, being seduced by doctrines of devils. I'm watching it happen as we speak. The shaking has already begun and many are leaving the truth behind because it's "not as popular".

Thanks for that sermon too.. just watched it. I enjoyed it

SotL

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Princessdi said:

You know SOL, that might or might not be true about the last day message, however, if we are not even conducting ourselves or even delivering the message so that it can be received....IOW, be competent, effective witnesses. So being so arrogant, and elitist. Acting like folks are beneanth us. Everyone is a goat until they do like we tell them, or join the "collective"(sorry, the Trekkie in me. LOL!!).

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Who is acting like folks are beneath us? Are you saying the church as a whole or a few select individuals, or what? I mean if you are going to state something like that you might as well be specific. Before I even knew the doctrine one of the things that God showed me through the Adventist Church is how humble his people are. I personally don't know any arrogant or elitist Adventists. Do you feel that Christians who preach and teach the truth are arrogant and elitist? I'm hoping that you aren't confusing being bold and preaching the truth with courage and calling that elitism. Do you think I am arrogant or an elitist because I am on this board sharing my beliefs? Should we not defend the truth we have been blessed with? Should we dilute the message we've been given and throw up our arms in defeat and say "Why can't we all just get along?" I hope you realize these are rhetorical questions..

I personally have never heard an Adventist say that we are better than other Christians. Quite on the contrary actually, the Adventists I know again, personally, are all very humble, loving people. We are blessed and I thank God for it.

Princessdi, do you consider yourself a "Progressive or Modern" Adventist? Do you believe in the 28 Fundamental beliefs? Do you believe that E.G. White was a prophet of God?

I am asking you these questions based on"You know SOL, that might or might not be true about the last day message, " because the Bible and the SOP both confirm that we do have the last day message. I don't see any room given to question that fact.

Princessdi said:

SOL, we do give decent lip service to believing there are "good people" in other denoms, but when we start beaking it down(just as you have) then the inferences are clear, even to me and I am on the "inside" so to speak.

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What inferences are clear?

Princessdi said:

I am SDA, and have no plans to leave the church, but we are so wrong in the way we portray the message given us. It won't be long before we will be like the Jews and God lkook to someone else to do the work.....if He hasn't already.

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I am glad you don't have any plans to leave the church!


Be Blessed,
SotL

So should we just put our Bibles down?

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No, I hope that this is not what you will do.

My point is that we are not saved by what we think we know.

After all its just about who we know, not what we know?

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I submit that reading the Bible is an excellent way to get to know Him.

How do we learn to decipher from truth and error?

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The Spirit convicts with respect to sin and righteousness and judgment.

I am not interested in joining Babylon.

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I asked whether you were opposed to joining forces with other denominations for service projects. Is this the way you intended to respond? If so, it seems you are saying that you view other denominations as Babylon. Have I misunderstood you?
I notice you asked Princessdi if she is a progressive SDA and/or if she believes Mrs. White a prophet. Is it true that there are certain SDAs who look down on other SDAs based on how they answer this question?

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

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Just to clarify . . . to whom do you believe this command is addressed?

BFA

Princessdi said:

You know SOL, that might or might not be true about the last day message, however, if we are not even conducting ourselves or even delivering the message so that it can be received....IOW, be competent, effective witnesses. So being so arrogant, and elitist. Acting like folks are beneanth us. Everyone is a goat until they do like we tell them, or join the "collective"(sorry, the Trekkie in me. LOL!!).

SOL, we do give decent lip service to believing there are "good people" in other denoms, but when we start beaking it down(just as you have) then the inferences are clear, even to me and I am on the "inside" so to speak.

I am SDA, and have no plans to leave the church, but we are so wrong in the way we portray the message given us. It won't be long before we will be like the Jews and God lkook to someone else to do the work.....if He hasn't already.

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Thanks for the reality check, Princess!

BFA

Byfaithalone1 said:

My point is that we are not saved by what we think we know.

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Many will be lost for their lack of knowledge.

Hosea 4:6
6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Byfaithalone1 said:

I submit that reading the Bible is an excellent way to get to know Him.

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John 5:39

39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Byfaithalone1 said:

I asked whether you were opposed to joining forces with other denominations for service projects. Is this the way you intended to respond? If so, it seems you are saying that you view other denominations as Babylon. Have I misunderstood you?

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I'm afraid you don't really understand how far ecumenism has gone, or how far it will go. Ecumenism is aggressively pushing to unite all religions, and as I mentioned earlier, this includes all different kinds of satanic religions. This is why I don't play games with ecumenism.

Helping a brother/sister in Christ in service from another denomination is quite different than embracing a movement to unite the world under Pagan Rome. Your understanding of Bible prophecy is obviously very different than mine.

Byfaithalone1 said:

I notice you asked Princessdi if she is a progressive SDA and/or if she believes Mrs. White a prophet. Is it true that there are certain SDAs who look down on other SDAs based on how they answer this question?

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You are very observant. I asked Princessdi that question to better understand her beliefs. Thanks for the concern.

Byfaithalone1 said:

Just to clarify . . . to whom do you believe this command is addressed?

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God's people in Babylon.


SotL

Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1Co 5:6-8





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