Reason why evolution can not happen

USincognito · Feb 18, 2004

FEZZILLA said:
#4.) The Egyptians wern't astronomers; they were astrologers, there is a difference. Moses knew about the true God and creator and eventually led the Hebrew nation out of Egypt. These Israelites were not into Egyptian myths, but they knew everything the Egyptians knew and more about origins.

You're playing semantics. Astronomy didn't differentiate itself from astrology until the Renaissance. In ancient societies either word would be accurate in describing the observers of astronomical bodies.

And I'm sorry, but you're wrong. You see the Israelites claimed a world wide flood occured that killed everything but those on the ark with Noah, while the Egyptians were building pyramids and harvesting crops and such. The Egyptians knew a lot more about history and origins than the Israelites did.

FEZZILLA said:
I guess you can count-out the evolution alien theory out know You just proved aliens are not responsible for life on earth. Thats will hurt evolutions last resort tactics (hahahaha!!!).

Huh?

LorentzHA · Feb 18, 2004

FEZZILLA said:
I've noticed alot of you like to argue just to argue. No matter how many times the world of academics slams you in the face, you'll deny true information and get false infomation offf your far-left wing websites.
You should try thinking for yourselves sometime, it's fun!

fragmentsofdreams · Feb 18, 2004

soysauce said:
evolution needs new information added to animals to be evolved. No new information is added to an animal. When this world started, different kinds of animals contained all the information of the gene pool in order to have that kind of animal survive in many different types of environments. A piece of the gene pool is taken to give characteristics to the animal to survive in a cold environment or warm environment. No new information is added, that is why a dog will never have an offspring with feathers because it doesnt have the information to pass down the feather trait to its offspring.

Could you please define information for us?

fragmentsofdreams · Feb 18, 2004

soysauce said:
irish, thats like saying "if i pull out my teeth, i wont get cavities"

Having one child die of malaria, one die of sickle cell anemia, and two survive is better than having all four die of malaria.

fragmentsofdreams · Feb 19, 2004

soysauce said:
Thats a VARAIATION. Its still a bacteria after it is resistnat toanitbiotics. It doesnt change into a monkey.

The difference between a bacterium and a monkey is nothing but many many of what you call variations.

fragmentsofdreams · Feb 19, 2004

soysauce said:
thats like saying a guy with purple hair from a mutation shows the process of evolution. Thats not new information, just different color.

It is new information. His genes have new instructions for creating a new color of hair.

fragmentsofdreams · Feb 19, 2004

soysauce said:
natural selection preserves the organism and does not make it evolve.

What if an organism mutated in a way that made it better able to survive and reproduce? Natural selection would favor this organism over others.

LorentzHA · Feb 19, 2004

Fezzilla said:
You should try thinking for yourselves sometime, it's fun!

Translation: Stop believing what sciences says and what the data shows, so you can accept creationism and think like the rest us creationists! *Although, I think the word "think" is a metaphor*....

Captain_Jack_Sparrow · Feb 19, 2004

FEZZILLA says:

#4.) The Egyptians wern't astronomers; they were astrologers, there is a difference. Moses knew about the true God and creator and eventually led the Hebrew nation out of Egypt. These Israelites were not into Egyptian myths, but they knew everything the Egyptians knew and more about origins.
I guess you can count-out the evolution alien theory out know You just proved aliens are not responsible for life on earth. Thats will hurt evolutions last resort tactics (hahahaha!!!).

So the Israelites who were basically a bunch of nomadic herders and rubes knew more than a civilisation that built the pyramids and used the Nile for irrigation, travel etc.

What a joke!

Oh and why is it that only literalist Biblical scholars believe that Exodus really happened. Go check out academic University websites on history and archeology and see how many believe Exodus really was an event. It's pretty much an abandoned concept.

Meatros · Feb 19, 2004

FEZZILLA said:
I've noticed alot of you like to argue just to argue. No matter how many times the world of academics slams you in the face, you'll deny true information and get false infomation offf your far-left wing websites.
You should try thinking for yourselves sometime, it's fun!

Perhaps you should take your own advice and apply some critical thinking towards whatever preacher/bible you gleam your information from.

Saviourmachine · Feb 19, 2004

fragmentsofdreams said:
Could you please define information for us?

Nice question.

Could an evolutionist define information for me, please?

Arikay · Feb 19, 2004

many have, but...

1) Why? Its not evolutionists that claim no new information can come about.

2) The definitions always seem to fall short of whatever the creationists are talking about

Saviourmachine said:
Nice question.

Could an evolutionist define information for me, please?

Pete Harcoff · Feb 19, 2004

Saviourmachine said:
Nice question.

Could an evolutionist define information for me, please?

They could, but you probably wouldn't get the same answer. The are various definitions of "information" and AFAIK, biologists have yet to agree on a definition as it applies to genetics.

I believe lucaspa's extremely distilled definition is as follows (if I'm wrong, someone correct me):

Production of new alleles (variations of genes) + selection for those alleles = new information in the gene pool

DonWon · Feb 19, 2004

Why couldent have evolution happened....Just because we dont have all the details doesent make it true....you dont have all the details about if there is or is not a God yet you still believe in it....there is more facts supporting evolution then supporting God...thats if you ignore the whole jesus bs....

Jet Black · Feb 19, 2004

Saviourmachine said:
Nice question.

Could an evolutionist define information for me, please?

well the emphasis is not really on evolutionists, since it is the creationists who say that it cannot increase, and then refuse to define it. Even AIG's Jonathan Sarfati runs away when people ask him to define information. Still, Dawking gives it a thorough going over:

http://www.skeptics.com.au/journal/dawkins1.htm

shenzhou · Feb 19, 2004

Saviourmachine said:
Could an evolutionist define information for me, please?

my understanding of information at a genetic level is a definable sequence that has a biological function.

So protein coding part of a gene is information

so is an exon, splice site, transcription factor binding site etc.

This defintion does lack precise quantities (it cannnot answer a question like 'by how much has the information risen') and detail for example comparing protein variants, but i think it works roughly at a genomic level.

A good definition of biological information is provided in this paper: 'Physical Complexity of Symbolic Sequences' http://arxiv.org/abs/adap-org/9605002

"The physical complexity of a sequence refers to the amount of information that is stored in that sequence about a particular environment."

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