Rainbows!

Buy Bologna · Mar 4, 2012

Who doesn't love a rainbow?

But I'm trying to give the bible the benefit of the doubt here and going to ask christians for help.

Since a rainbow is a reminder that god won't ever bring a great deluge on the earth again (according to the bible).

How did we not see rainbows before the deluge? What did god do? Did he change the atmosphere to where our eyes could see it? Or did he tweek our eyes to where we could see the broke down spectrum by particles of water/prisms?

Of course we could always see the spectrum tho or we wouldn't be able to discern colors at all. Did they see in black and white back in the days of living to 900?

IDK, just chalk this one up as another reason in think the bible is silly. But of course, i am open to hearing your reasoning on this matter. thanx.

juvenissun · Mar 5, 2012

Buy Bologna said:
Who doesn't love a rainbow?

But I'm trying to give the bible the benefit of the doubt here and going to ask christians for help.

Since a rainbow is a reminder that god won't ever bring a great deluge on the earth again (according to the bible).

How did we not see rainbows before the deluge? What did god do? Did he change the atmosphere to where our eyes could see it? Or did he tweek our eyes to where we could see the broke down spectrum by particles of water/prisms?

Of course we could always see the spectrum tho or we wouldn't be able to discern colors at all. Did they see in black and white back in the days of living to 900?

IDK, just chalk this one up as another reason in think the bible is silly. But of course, i am open to hearing your reasoning on this matter. thanx.

It has two ideas:

One suggests that there was rainbow before the Flood. God just point it out specifically as a symbol. Another one suggests the rainbow is a new feature on the earth after the Flood. I, look at it from a scientific point of view, prefer the latter. It is not silly, it is a profound scientific knowledge and implication.

In other words, before the Noah's Flood, people have never seen rainbow on the earth. I guess you are smart enough to figure out a proper conditions of the earth for that to be true.

GrowingSmaller · Mar 5, 2012

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GrowingSmaller · Mar 5, 2012

I am not sure the storuy has to be read literally. I read an article from a female rabbi (IIRC) in Sufi magazine, and she said (IIRC) for hasidic Jews the bible was not about external history at all but a story of the spirital inner life of the Jews.

I just heard yesterday how the karaite sect of Jews were very literalistic in their interpretation of scripture, and influenced Muhammed in hos theology. They were against the Rabbis and Talmud IIRC.

I think the Jews have been pretty 'creative' at times with their interpreatation of the Bible. To me this might make literalists look a little simple. But it takes all kinds to make a world.

The Nihilist · Mar 5, 2012

juvenissun said:
It has two ideas:

One suggests that there was rainbow before the Flood. God just point it out specifically as a symbol. Another one suggests the rainbow is a new feature on the earth after the Flood. I, look at it from a scientific point of view, prefer the latter. It is not silly, it is a profound scientific knowledge and implication.

Is your suggestion that water didn't refract light before the flood?

juvenissun · Mar 5, 2012

The Nihilist said:
Is your suggestion that water didn't refract light before the flood?

Of course it did. Why not?

Vanderhaust · Mar 5, 2012

Are trying to show that the bible may not be true based on a rainbow? Seriously, there are plenty of ideas and concepts from the bible to argue against the validity of the bible. Arguing about whether or not rainbows existed before the flood would be pointless. Nowhere in the bible does it say that rainbows didn’t exist before the flood, but rather I think it can be inferred that God was only using something easily identifiable to remind people of his promise not to flood the world again.

The Nihilist · Mar 5, 2012

juvenissun said:
Of course it did. Why not?

Rainbows happen because water refracts light. If rainbows refracted light before the flood, then rainbows occurred before the flood. Did you not suggest that rainbows didn't occur before the flood?

juvenissun · Mar 6, 2012

The Nihilist said:
Rainbows happen because water refracts light. If rainbows refracted light before the flood, then rainbows occurred before the flood. Did you not suggest that rainbows didn't occur before the flood?

Do you see rainbow all the time even the air always contains some moisture in most places of the earth? If not, why not?

juvenissun · Mar 6, 2012

Vanderhaust said:
Are trying to show that the bible may not be true based on a rainbow? Seriously, there are plenty of ideas and concepts from the bible to argue against the validity of the bible. Arguing about whether or not rainbows existed before the flood would be pointless. Nowhere in the bible does it say that rainbows didnt exist before the flood, but rather I think it can be inferred that God was only using something easily identifiable to remind people of his promise not to flood the world again.

So I guess the rainbow is not an issue to you. That is good. One is down, at the least.

The Nihilist · Mar 6, 2012

juvenissun said:
Do you see rainbow all the time even the air always contains some moisture in most places of the earth? If not, why not?

Man, I don't know. Rainbows happen when it's raining and sunny.

sandwiches · Mar 6, 2012

The Nihilist said:
Man, I don't know. Rainbows happen when it's raining and sunny.

I think he's saying that before the flood it was never raining and sunny, at the same time.

juvenissun · Mar 6, 2012

The Nihilist said:
Man, I don't know. Rainbows happen when it's raining and sunny.

raining and sunny, sometimes you see rainbow, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you see rainbow, but it is not raining.

Have you ever seen rainbow when it is cloudy? If not, does it mean that a cloudy day has no sun light?

Buy Bologna · Mar 9, 2012

juvenissun said:
It has two ideas:

One suggests that there was rainbow before the Flood. God just point it out specifically as a symbol. Another one suggests the rainbow is a new feature on the earth after the Flood. I, look at it from a scientific point of view, prefer the latter. It is not silly, it is a profound scientific knowledge and implication.

In other words, before the Noah's Flood, people have never seen rainbow on the earth. I guess you are smart enough to figure out a proper conditions of the earth for that to be true.

I don't see why a person wouldn't see a rainbow (before the deluge).

GrowingSmaller said:
I am not sure the storuy has to be read literally. I read an article from a female rabbi (IIRC) in Sufi magazine, and she said (IIRC) for hasidic Jews the bible was not about external history at all but a story of the spirital inner life of the Jews.

I just heard yesterday how the karaite sect of Jews were very literalistic in their interpretation of scripture, and influenced Muhammed in hos theology. They were against the Rabbis and Talmud IIRC.

I think the Jews have been pretty 'creative' at times with their interpreatation of the Bible. To me this might make literalists look a little simple. But it takes all kinds to make a world.

I am getting sick of this reading it literally crud. When the bible says, "Do good to others and love your neighbor. etc..." Am I not suppose to read that literally too?

Vanderhaust said:
Are trying to show that the bible may not be true based on a rainbow? Seriously, there are plenty of ideas and concepts from the bible to argue against the validity of the bible. Arguing about whether or not rainbows existed before the flood would be pointless. Nowhere in the bible does it say that rainbows didnt exist before the flood, but rather I think it can be inferred that God was only using something easily identifiable to remind people of his promise not to flood the world again.

juvenissun said:
Do you see rainbow all the time even the air always contains some moisture in most places of the earth? If not, why not?

Yes, you do. If you can see in color. The ROY G BIV spectrum. Then actually you can.

If you see light, then you are seeing All the colors of the rainbow.

Prisms only break it down to us to us to a finer scale.

juvenissun · Mar 9, 2012

Buy Bologna said:
I don't see why a person wouldn't see a rainbow (before the deluge).

I am getting sick of this reading it literally crud. When the bible says, "Do good to others and love your neighbor. etc..." Am I not suppose to read that literally too?

Yes, you do. If you can see in color. The ROY G BIV spectrum. Then actually you can.

If you see light, then you are seeing All the colors of the rainbow.

Prisms only break it down to us to us to a finer scale.

Since this is your thread, so I reply:

You don't see the rainbow when the intensity of refracting light is not strong enough. And this condition is quite easy to satisfy. There might be a time in the past that this condition was satisfied at all time.

The Nihilist · Mar 9, 2012

juvenissun said:
raining and sunny, sometimes you see rainbow, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you see rainbow, but it is not raining.

Have you ever seen rainbow when it is cloudy? If not, does it mean that a cloudy day has no sun light?

I can't believe I had to go to wikipedia for this dumb topic. Here, here's everything you'd ever want to know about rainbows:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow

Now why don't you pick out which part of that didn't happen before the flood?

The Nihilist · Mar 9, 2012

sandwiches said:
I think he's saying that before the flood it was never raining and sunny, at the same time.

I hope not, because that suggestion would be dumb.

GrowingSmaller · Mar 9, 2012

I wonder irf Kierkegaard was a biblical literalist on this one...

juvenissun · Mar 9, 2012

The Nihilist said:
I can't believe I had to go to wikipedia for this dumb topic. Here, here's everything you'd ever want to know about rainbows:Rainbow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now why don't you pick out which part of that didn't happen before the flood?

It does not say anything about ancient climate conditions. I bet the author of the page does not know anything about it. So, you searched up a wrong page.

The Nihilist · Mar 10, 2012

juvenissun said:
It does not say anything about ancient climate conditions. I bet the author of the page does not know anything about it. So, you searched up a wrong page.

No one said anything about ancient climate conditions. We were talking about rainbows. What are you proposing exactly?

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