Racism

john crawford · Jan 1, 2006

Frumious Bandersnatch said:
John, Did you ever hear the phrase one trick pony?

F.B.

Sure. Ever hear the phrase 'neo-Darwinist race theories' before?

Frumious Bandersnatch · Jan 1, 2006

john crawford said:
Sure. Ever hear the phrase 'neo-Darwinist race theories' before?

The most racist people I have personally encountered were religious fundamentalists who quoted Bible verses to justify their belief that segregation should continue in the Southern States.

F.B.

TheBear · Jan 1, 2006

He still doesn't get it. And this is the second thread I started, which proves the point.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2459116-biological-racism.html

john crawford · Jan 1, 2006

TheBear said:
He still doesn't get it. And this is the second thread I started, which proves the point.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2459116-biological-racism.html

Thanks. I clicked on the link and answered a few posts. Now, what point have you proved that I prove by posting on this second thread?

abbismonster · Jan 2, 2006

John Crawford, your saying that by saying that the descendents of humans that lived in Africa were primitive, we are claiming all black people are primitive? That doesnt make any sense, people living in asia were primitive, people who moved to europe were primitive, they were all primitive back then.

Grengor · Jan 2, 2006

No he's saying that since in the Out of Africa model, Neanderthals were killed of or died out on natural means, it means that the ToE is racist. Not only does the ToE not say this, but it's a gross stretch of even the regular "ToE is racist" argument.

john crawford · Jan 2, 2006

abbismonster said:
John Crawford, your saying that by saying that the descendents of humans that lived in Africa were primitive, we are claiming all black people are primitive?

No way, as you say - "That doesnt make any sense .."

Neo-Darwinist theorists say that the first people who originated from African ape and monkey ancestors were primitive people who lived in Africa. Unfortunately, because of the original unfounded assumptions, racial associations and false premises inherent in neo-Darwinist theories about human evolution out of anthropoid ape ancestors, modern neo-Darwinists are forced into assuming, associating and connecting the original "primitive" african people with African ape ancestors.

people living in asia were primitive, people who moved to europe were primitive, they were all primitive back then.

Back when?

Only anthropologists professionally label certain people as 'primitive.'

TheBear · Jan 2, 2006

john crawford said:
Thanks. I clicked on the link and answered a few posts. Now, what point have you proved that I prove by posting on this second thread?

I had a hunch. I looked around all the various threads in this forum. Your participation in threads that have nothing to do with the topic of racism is rare at best. You post almost exclusively in threads where the topic is about racism, (real or imagined), and dominate those threads, (have the most number of posts by at least double of anyone else's). So I say to myself, 'This guy is really fixated and obsessed on racism. But, maybe I'm wrong.' So, I tested that theory by creating two other threads with 'racism' in the title. And sure enough, in short order you were right there, posting at least twice as much as the closest runner-up in each of the new threads.

Test complete.

billwald · Jan 2, 2006

"Race" is the equivalent of "breed" as used in animal husbandry. Is it "racist" to claim that poodles are different than Great Danes?

warispeace · Jan 3, 2006

TheBear said:
Test complete.

Mods, you can close this thread now.

And it only took twelve posts.

*looks at stopwatch*

I think that's a new record.

Jet Black · Jan 3, 2006

TheBear said:
Test complete.

john is totally pwnt.

Apos · Jan 3, 2006

[quoet]Neo-Darwinist theorists say that the first people who originated from African ape and monkey ancestors were primitive people who lived in Africa. Unfortunately, because of the original unfounded assumptions, racial associations and false premises inherent in neo-Darwinist theories about human evolution out of anthropoid ape ancestors, modern neo-Darwinists are forced into assuming, associating and connecting the original "primitive" african people with African ape ancestors.[/quote]

You know, you've dodged this question so many times that it sems pretty rock solid obvious that you are just putting us all on here. But in the hopes that just mayeb you are amenable to a sensible discussion, we'll try this one last time.

Please explain how the idea that ALL modern humans are descended from a population of early hominids that originated in Africa is racist. In ANY way shape or form. Please even explain how the mere location of these hominids being in Africa has anything at all to do in particular with the people who in the modern day happen to live in Africa.

Keep in mind that according to evolutionary theory, all modern humans are EXACTLY as closely related to apes as all other modern humans, no matter what their race or where they happen to live. Genetically, we are all the same percentage related to apes: no particular race or region makes you "closer" or "more ape-like." If you think that modern-day evolutionary theory says so, then please point me to ANY reputable biologist saying so.

Jet Black · Jan 3, 2006

Apos said:
You know, you've dodged this question so many times that it sems pretty rock solid obvious that you are just putting us all on here. But in the hopes that just mayeb you are amenable to a sensible discussion, we'll try this one last time.

nice try, but people have been talking to him about this for months, and nothing ever gets through to him, because he doesn't actually have any interest in the subject and just likes to drone on about racism, as TheBear's threads show.

Dannager · Jan 3, 2006

It's funny, they've become one-trick ponies. john zeros in on the whole racism thing, and dad sticks to his convictions of a merged past universe.

Jet Black · Jan 3, 2006

Dannager said:
It's funny, they've become one-trick ponies. john zeros in on the whole racism thing, and dad sticks to his convictions of a merged past universe.

Precisely. I honestly wonder why people even bother to carry on talking to them.

john crawford · Jan 3, 2006

Grengor said:
No he's saying that since in the Out of Africa model, Neanderthals were killed of or died out on natural means, it means that the ToE is racist. Not only does the ToE not say this, but it's a gross stretch of even the regular "ToE is racist" argument.

http://www.jay-matternes.com/Hominids.html

All these people have been killed off or called extinct by neo-Darwinist race theorists who imagine they evolved from some of them. Doesn't really matter much since they never existed in the first place outside of neo-Darwinist racial imaginations.

john crawford · Jan 3, 2006

TheBear said:
I had a hunch. I looked around all the various threads in this forum. Your participation in threads that have nothing to do with the topic of racism is rare at best. You post almost exclusively in threads where the topic is about racism, (real or imagined), and dominate those threads, (have the most number of posts by at least double of anyone else's). So I say to myself, 'This guy is really fixated and obsessed on racism. But, maybe I'm wrong.' So, I tested that theory by creating two other threads with 'racism' in the title. And sure enough, in short order you were right there, posting at least twice as much as the closest runner-up in each of the new threads.

I'm no more obsessed or fixated on racism than you are on evolution. As far as I'm concerned, evolution is racism, so every time someone posts something on evolution, I have to point out the inherent racism in all theories of human evolution. To prove your point or theory, and to fully complete the test, just start a thread on evolution and I will be right there to point out that all theories of human evolution are racially biased and bigoted. As long as neo-Darwinist race theorists continue to call and classify all Jews, Christians and Muslims descendents of monkey and ape ancestors, I recommend that all Jews, Christians and Muslims call and classify all neo-Darwinist theories of ape and human evolution racially bigoted, prejudiced and biased.

After all, we have more historical evidence of neo-Darwinist racial bigotry, bias and prejudice than neo-Darwinist race theorists have of our evolution from African ape ancestors.

john crawford · Jan 3, 2006

billwald said:
"Race" is the equivalent of "breed" as used in animal husbandry. Is it "racist" to claim that poodles are different than Great Danes?

I wouldn't know since I'm not concerned with animal husbandry, breeding different species or races of dogs, or poodle and Great Dane racism.

TheBear · Jan 3, 2006

john crawford said:
I'm no more obsessed or fixated on racism than you are on evolution. As far as I'm concerned, evolution is racism, so every time someone posts something on evolution, I have to point out the inherent racism in all theories of human evolution. To prove your point or theory, and to fully complete the test, just start a thread on evolution and I will be right there to point out that all theories of human evolution are racially biased and bigoted. As long as neo-Darwinist race theorists continue to call and classify all Jews, Christians and Muslims descendents of monkey and ape ancestors, I recommend that all Jews, Christians and Muslims call and classify all neo-Darwinist theories of ape and human evolution racially bigoted, prejudiced and biased.

After all, we have more historical evidence of neo-Darwinist racial bigotry, bias and prejudice than neo-Darwinist race theorists have of our evolution from African ape ancestors.

A simple post search of each of our post should prove me right and you wrong about any obsession.

Get some help, John. I say this in total sincerity.

john crawford · Jan 4, 2006

Apos said:
Please explain how the idea that ALL modern humans are descended from a population of early hominids that originated in Africa is racist. In ANY way shape or form. Please even explain how the mere location of these hominids being in Africa has anything at all to do in particular with the people who in the modern day happen to live in Africa.

First we distinguish between hairy ape hominids and human hominids in the past just like we distinguish between hairy apes and modern humans today. You can make that distinction, I assume.

Second, we show pictures of what extinct hairy australopithicine apes looked like and compare evolutionist depictions of what neo-Darwinist race theorists imagine early African people looked like.

If we can produce evolutionist pictures, drawings or other depictions of what extinct australopithicine apes and early humans looked like, we can show the racial bias and bigotry inherent in all associations and comparisons of early African people with African apes.

If we cannot show any pictorial evidence of African apes being transformed into African people, then we may safely assume that all theories of early African people originating from African apes are simply expressions of neo-Darwinist racial presumptions and bigotry.

The following link provides some evolutionist images of so-called human "species" which neo-Darwinist race theorists claim descended from African apes.
http://www.jay-matternes.com/Hominids.html

If you or anyone else can provide us with some images of extinct African apes or their ancestors (australopithicine or otherwise), then we can compare the images of early African people to see if they are racially similar to, or even racially associated with, any African species of hairy non-human apes. If none are forthcoming, then we may be only left to assume that all theories of human evolution in Africa are inherently racist and only concocted by neo-Darwinist race theorists who are obviously racially bigoted and prejudiced about the origin of African people.

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