Rabbits in the Precambrian

Wedjat · Oct 10, 2009

Armadillo exoskeleton is in name only, just like the spider femur.

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

Wedjat said:
Armadillo exoskeleton is in name only, just like the spider femur.

What about four-legged grasshoppers and avian bats?

Wedjat · Oct 10, 2009

That's biblical territory AV. If you want to take it literally, or in name only, or metaphorically, or anything you want, that's your choice. Personally it matters little to me.
Bats are mammals
Bugs have six legs

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

Wedjat said:
Bugs have six legs

Only insofar as they don't.

Alunyel · Oct 10, 2009

Insects have 6 legs.

No bug has 4 legs.

No bat is not mammalian.

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

Alunyel said:
Insects have 6 legs.

No bug has 4 legs.

No bat is not mammalian.

Is that what your computer software tells you?

Alunyel · Oct 10, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Is that what your computer software tells you?

No, that's what logic and observation tell me.

Not that you'd understand, you walk around with your eyes closed, blinded to anything that contradicts your absurd religious dogma, and logic is as alien a concept to you as Klingons are to Humans.

Wedjat · Oct 10, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Only insofar as they don't.

Oh no, I wrote a sloppily worded sentence and now I must be proven wrong.
What are you even trying to argue?

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

Alunyel said:
No, that's what logic and observation tell me.

Interesting.

You must be on the go a lot to have personally observed every insect on this planet.

Or were you talking about the 'logic and observation' of others?

Wedjat · Oct 10, 2009

Hey AV... do you have a less circular answer to my original question? If not, why are you still here?

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

Wedjat said:
Hey AV... do you have a less circular answer to my original question? If not, why are you still here?

What question?

Wedjat · Oct 10, 2009

In the OP.
The one you already kind of didn't answer.

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

Wedjat said:
So what about creationism is falsifiable?

Nothing.

Isaiah 46:9-10 said:
9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

The Creation was done by an act of omnipotence, and nothing on earth, including the theory of evolution, is going to override it in the end.

laconicstudent · Oct 10, 2009

AV1611VET said:
The Creation was done by an act of omnipotence, and nothing on earth, including the theory of evolution, is going to override it in the end.

Except maybe by the Göbekli Tepe temple, located in modern day South-eastern Turkey that was dated from anywhere between the years 8,430 BC and 9,559 BC....

You know... this:

Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies

Oh darn. It looks like radiometric dating shows that humans were using this temple several thousand years before AV claims God created the Earth.

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

laconicstudent said:
Except maybe by the Göbekli Tepe temple, located in modern day South-eastern Turkey that was dated from anywhere between the years 8,430 BC and 9,559 BC....

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laconicstudent · Oct 10, 2009

AV1611VET said:
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Since you clearly are incapable of clicking the link in the text, I will spoon-feed the information to you.

Abstract:

"A pedological investigation at Göbekli Tepe, a Pre-Pottery Neolithic (PPN) site in the northern Fertile Crescent (southeastern Turkey), was undertaken to gain a better understanding of its chronology and paleoenvironments. A catena at the southern slope of the central mound suggests that complex pedosedimentary processes took place at the surface of the mound after the abandonment of the site. Soil formation resulted in a markedly dark Ah horizon and a Bk horizon with secondary carbonate accumulations; both hold promise as sources of chronological and paleoecological information. Three fossil Ah horizons from the PPN period were found within the fill. One of them provided a 14C age of 8880 ± 60 yr B.P. (on humic acids) that may approximate the time of abandonment. 14C dating of the oldest microlamina of pedogenic carbonate gave two new dates: 7450 ± 80 yr B.P. for a PPNB context and 6405 ± 70 yr B.P. for a post-PPNB context. These dates have to be considered as well-estimated minimum ages of the contexts. © 2006 Wiley Periodicals, Inc."

DrkSdBls · Oct 10, 2009

We're in Trouble....

Concider this.

If God was to appear before each and everyone of us and Declare that the ToE was Correct, that he did not create the Earth as per Genesis, It would not be proof of the ToE.

Likewise, If God were to appear before us and Declare that the Bible is 100% correct and he did create all of the Universe as told there in, It Still would not be proof of Creationism.

The Answer why is clear. Because there would be no way to aptly evaluate such a Declaration. First, Who is this Being to call himself God? (I've asked the question before and I've never been answered, "What is 'God'? Who can define "God" to me.) What would he need to do to prove to us he's God? What could he Reveal to us (barring totally reprogramming us to believe it) that'll convince us? Because, honesly, who would just accept it as fact when we'll all smart enough to find every Logical Fallacy that we all present to another another on these very boards? Nothing he can show us could not be reasoned away as a Trick of a Pretender.

Point being, Rabbits in the Pre-cambrian would certainly Disprove our current concept of Evolution, but still would not answer the "How" they came to be.

You know, I used to be obsessed with the Idea of Time Travel, until the Realization of the trouble it'd cause us, no matter how seemingly insignificant the change...... (and the ironic part, it's Still a more likely explaination than Creationism.)

What seams to be the easiest way to solve this Debate would, in fact, cause an even Greater Conundrum that'll likely throw us all into another Darkage if we try to think too hard about it.

That's our true problem. We're all taking this way too seriously.....

Maybe AV has already blown all his fuses ......

OR maybe he's the sanest of us all.....

Honestly, I stopped caring.....

I just don't want to know....

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

laconicstudent said:
Since you clearly are incapable of clicking the link in the text, I will spoon-feed the information to you.

Fair enough.

Now let me spoon-feed information to you.

From the Table of Nations:

Genesis 10:3 said:
And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

Care to tell me how the people of Turkey survived the Flood?

Here's an excellent site I like to use for those who don't have a Scofield Reference Bible:

The Sixteen Grandsons of Noah

AV1611VET · Oct 10, 2009

DrkSdBls said:
Likewise, If God were to appear before us and Declare that the Bible is 100% correct and he did create all of the Universe as told there in, It Still would not be proof of Creationism.

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laconicstudent · Oct 10, 2009

AV1611VET said:
Fair enough.

Now let me spoon-feed information to you.

From the Table of Nations:Care to tell me how the people of Turkey survived the Flood?

The flood was local to Mesopotamia. If it wasn't, every male now living would have a Y-chromosomal haplogroup that originated from Mesopotamia... Instead all Y chromosomal haplogroups are descended from Africa.

AV1611VET said:
Here's an excellent site I like to use for those who don't have a Scofield Reference Bible:

The Sixteen Grandsons of Noah

Ok thats nice, I don't care. I don't take that literalist crap. The flood was a local event, since the last male common ancestor lived 60,000 years ago in Africa.

Good job responding.

I cited a scientific study, with hard evidence.

You cited your personal interpretation of Scripture, and didn't even try to refute my point

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