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QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEPHILIM...Genesis 6: 1-4

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Kester Pelagius

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Thanks for the link. Interesting thread, bit much to wade through at a glance.

Re: The "divine council" is this the same as the "ruling council" of mythology?

Viz: There are 12 ruling Olympians, just as there were 12 ruling Titans, and just as there were (or should be) 12 ruling Aesir/Vanir et al?

The "ruling council" and number "12" pops up a lot in legend and myth. There were 12 Knights of the Round Table, there are 12 Signs of the Zodiac, 12 Days of Christmas, and, of course, the 12 Diciples of Jesus.

This part of what was being discussed, or have I gone waaay off base?
 
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Kester Pelagius said:
Thanks for the link. Interesting thread, bit much to wade through at a glance.

Re: The "divine council" is this the same as the "ruling council" of mythology?
Yes they are, actually there are different ways to say it but the bibical scholars who study this will know what you mean no matter what you call it.

Viz: There are 12 ruling Olympians, just as there were 12 ruling Titans, and just as there were (or should be) 12 ruling Aesir/Vanir et al?
Whoa...I'm not really sure what your saying there but you must understand that this 12 ruling body of gods that your speaking about is a small but sure belief in the scope of what the whole world believed at that time. I mean from one end of the earth to the other there was a common belief in a divine council counsisting of a number of gods. Some cultures believed that that council consisted of 12 ruleling bodies but not all of the earths cultures believed this. Some believe in many more than 12. The Ugaric religion believed in 70 gods etc. My point is that no matter what the number is the basic thought of a ruleling body is of the most significance. The Bible bares this out as well, ah, in my opinion and belief.

The "ruling council" and number "12" pops up a lot in legend and myth. There were 12 Knights of the Round Table, there are 12 Signs of the Zodiac, 12 Days of Christmas, and, of course, the 12 Diciples of Jesus.
I could agree with this...go on with the thought though because I don't think I got the full understanding yet of what your trying to say. I don't believe the Greeks or the Romans or whoever, had the full understanding as to who and what they were worshipping but those myths did hold a certain amount of fact and truth.

This part of what was being discussed, or have I gone waaay off base?
No not way off base but maybe just a little bit, you have given another opinion from an angle I haven't studied. I like what you have to say though about this. See I always have looked at this from a biblical stand point and never considered the significance of the number 12. In the end I don't think it will amount to much as I think my basic belief about this will not be confused by what your asking me.

The thread I posted is a long thread I asked for you to read but even if you just read a little bit it will tell you where I'm comeing from. I never really had the opportunity to get into what I really believe about the divine council. Again, I'm not sure if I want to get into this again but I love it when someone like yourself comes along with honest questions who feel the same as I do about the importance of this!





God Bless!
 
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Greetings,

Sorry about taking so long to get back to you.


I forget my original point, nor can I find the text I began to prepare to answer this, so I'll wing it.

Ruling councils tend to be organized into bodies of 12, which is a multiple of 3. Now 3 is also very important mythologically as it represents greatness, a coming together in unity. Viz: There are 3 Fates (Moirae), 3 Norns, 3 Muses (originally, later there were 9), we Christians have the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit), Hermes Trismegetes translates literally as Hermes the "Thrice-Great", neo-pagans use the number 3 to represent their Tri-Fold Goddess (Maiden, Mother, Crone), it is the "Third Eye" that seers and mystics claim to be able to see with, there were three Wise Men, and let's not forget Jesus rose on the THIRD day.

So if 3 represents greatness then how much greater must 12 be?

You mention that you aren't sure how much the myths of old really run parallel with Biblical matters. And yet, look at Ovid' Metamorphoses:


Not the best translation I could find, but doesn't that remind you of anything? Round about Genesis 1:2 perhaps?

And that's just the beginning. From a quick glance in my old book I see that I've noted the parallels stretch from Ge 1:2 to 2:7, with a bit of Ps 74:17 and 3 En 5:7- right around where the story leads up to the bit about the war with the Giants- and at the bit about the Giants Wherein I wrote in the margins Ge 6:3, 3 En 5:12; and Ge 6:4; Is 14:13.


There we have the creation of man. If you read a more modern translation the biblical parallels are more aparent. But I think you can still see them in this brief passages. Also worthy of note is the Theogony and Days, and the account of the Pelasgian creation myth outlined by Graves in his two volume work on Greek Myths.

Granted there really aren't a lot of hard numbers mentioned by Ovid, but what does the Bible say?

SIX days of creation. (Six is a multiple of three). With the SEVENTH day set aside to rest.

There were 7 Wise Masters in the story of Sinbad, it was the 7 Against Thebes, the Magnificent 7, the 7 Sleepers of Ephesus, and I do believe there are 7 Archangels. (Or 4, depending upon your source. Then consider that. 7 is the sum of 3 and 4. How odd is it that 4 should pop up here?)

Does this seeming non-random occurance of numbers mean anything?

*shrug*

4 is usually given as the number of the earth, or the material realm.

Consider: Ovid lists 4 AGES of the world. Golden, Silver, Bronze, and Iron.

After the Iron Age comes the war with the Giants. (Ge 6:3-4 ?) The entire account can be read here. Also worthy of note as being a parallel is how the Aesir (Norse Gods) were said to be at war with the Jotun (Giants).

And with that we have now wandered so far afield I am sure neither of us remember what in the world we were talking about.

Save, perhaps, that the parallels one can find are astounding.


Kind Regards,

Kester Pelagius
 
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