Questions About Soul Ties?

Eurasia · Nov 1, 2007

I think soul tie is more like the implications of becoming one flesh between man and woman who are say are not married..

I don't think someone lusting after you affects you in the the soul tie way you describe. My only thoughts is we each have strongholds in our life, so the lady who was praying for you was praying for you to be free of them..

DevotiontoBible · Nov 1, 2007

HisW0rd said:
Is there a possibility that you could have a soul tie without willingly allowing it? I know that you can get soul ties from intercourse, emotionally, and spiritually.

My question is what if someone was lusting over you, thinking about you, or anything that would connect them to your presence, could that be a soul tie?

I was watching a biography about a young woman who was one of the most popular sex symbols. When I was watching it something said to me all those men lusting after her, can you imagine the soul ties she had to deal with?

I was a victim in sexual abuse and when I called a prayer line to pray against something I was dealing with (lust from other people), this lady started to bind spirits off me that I had no clue I had. I didnt get offended but I was curious. She seemed like a very anointed woman of God so I just dont think this was a mistake. I also heard how these spirits would linger on us and I notice how throughout the years men treated me until now.

Hmmm

Or, maybe men weren't as lustful for you as you thought. Or, maybe you stopped putting out "the pick me up vibe". Or, maybe you have gotten old and haggard looking or grew hair on your face. There are many reasons why men would stop lusting for a certain woman but not one reason is there in the Bible for "soul ties". It is not a Biblical teaching. People have made it up.

"Soul Ties" idea is another name for the devil makes me do it excuse. Personal responsibility helped by the Holy Spirit is what the Bible teaches is the way to a Christlike character not magical spells that break imaginary curses that have put the responsibility on other people for one's own behavior. In your OP...on people you have not even known.

Jeffwo · Nov 1, 2007

I think someone lusting after you would not affect you. That would only affect them. Try to remember that scripture (already posted here). If it were a curse, it would not be deserved by you:

Pro. 26:2 Like a fluttering sparrow or a darting swallow,
an undeserved curse does not come to rest.

Be careful with all this that you don't get carried into 'doctrines of demons'.

Don't focus on the demonic, move on into focus on things above. Our time here is short. Let us be busy advancing "His" kingdom!

tturt · Nov 1, 2007

We're not to be ignore of the enemy's tactics either.

DevotiontoBible · Nov 1, 2007

tturt said:
We're not to be ignore of the enemy's tactics either.

There is no such thing as the enemies tactics being "soul ties" in the Bible.

tturt · Nov 1, 2007

I guess they should be called "soul knits" instead.

Healthy soul ties can develop when there aren’t physical relationships such as David and Jonathan’s souls were “knitted” together and they made a covenant.

1Sa 18:1 “And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.” 1Sa 18:3 “Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.”

Ungodly soul ties:

1) It doesn’t have to be a romantic relationship - Shechem raped Dinah – he had the soul tie.

Gen 34:1 “And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land. Gen 34:2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
Gen 34:3 And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.”

(and I'm not saying that victims don't have soul ties).

Also, this verse doesn't say anything about physical contact - that's the reason why NMN29 posted about Pictures -
2) Mat 5:28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

Citizen of the Kingdom · Nov 1, 2007

tturt said:
Healthy soul ties can develop when there arent physical relationships such as David and Jonathans souls were knitted together and they made a covenant.

1Sa 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. 1Sa 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

Ungodly soul ties:

1) It doesnt have to be a romantic relationship - Shechem raped Dinah he had the soul tie.

Gen 34:1 And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land. Gen 34:2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
Gen 34:3 And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.

Also, the eyes -
2) Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Wow, biblical soulknitting. Learn sumpfin new everyday

DevotiontoBible · Nov 1, 2007

tturt said:
I guess they should be called "soul knits" instead.

Healthy soul ties can develop when there aren’t physical relationships such as David and Jonathan’s souls were “knitted” together and they made a covenant.

1Sa 18:1 “And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.” 1Sa 18:3 “Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.”

Ungodly soul ties:

1) It doesn’t have to be a romantic relationship - Shechem raped Dinah – he had the soul tie.

Gen 34:1 “And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land. Gen 34:2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
Gen 34:3 And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.”

(and I'm not saying that victims don't have soul ties).

Also, this verse doesn't say anything about physical contact - that's the reason why NMN29 posted about Pictures -
2) Mat 5:28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”

Or better yet "soul snares" Proverbs 22:25 (KJV)
Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul.

Or "soul thirsts" Psalm 63:1 (KJV)
A Psalm of David, when he was in the wilderness of Judah.
O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;

Citizen of the Kingdom · Nov 1, 2007

When we stand before God will we have soulsnares and soulknits as excuses. I think not. If it doesn't pertain to salvation then it doesn't count imo not in the terms of eternity anyway, altho they could influence actions deeply, they shouldn't be put ahead of God's Ways. Accountabilty before God is something we all have to face alone. No ties involved there.

JimB · Nov 1, 2007

tturt said:
I guess they should be called "soul knits" instead.

tturt said:
Healthy soul ties can develop when there arent physical relationships such as David and Jonathans souls were knitted together and they made a covenant.

1Sa 18:1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. 1Sa 18:3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.

Ungodly soul ties:

1) It doesnt have to be a romantic relationship - Shechem raped Dinah he had the soul tie.

Gen 34:1 And Dinah the daughter of Leah, which she bare unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land. Gen 34:2 And when Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, prince of the country, saw her, he took her, and lay with her, and defiled her.
Gen 34:3 And his soul clave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spake kindly unto the damsel.

(and I'm not saying that victims don't have soul ties).

Also, this verse doesn't say anything about physical contact - that's the reason why NMN29 posted about Pictures -
2) Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

If this is the proof-texts for soul ties, you may be building a doctrine on a figure of speech in 1 Sam. 18.1, an ancient idiom/euphemism, which may have simply meant that David and Jonathan were bonded as friends (as the NLT translates it) or became one in spirit (as the NIV translates it).

Same with Genesis 34.3. Other translations do not use the phrase his soul clave to Dinah. Rather

NLT he fell in love with her

NIV his heart was drawn to Dinah

NKJV his soul was strongly attracted to Dinah

AMP his soul longed for and clung to Dinah

ESV his soul was drawn to Dinah

\o/

Preach the Gospel at all times. Where necessary, use words. ~St. Francis

bithiah2 · Nov 1, 2007

don't argue with those who don't believe.
i don't believe in "soul ties" in that way but i do understand that one person could be obsessed with another person, they could have made that other person an idol, and if there was some type of witchcraft involved,then there could be an attachment from that.
i know because of the things that my family has practiced where they lived. there is truth in it, but most people who talk about this stuff really don't know what they are dealing with.
if you have been abused, it is not your fault. sometimes you could have an emotional attachment to that person and still be connected in an unhealthy way, and some people call it a "soul tie". when a person has been abused, they have problems setting boundaries and can let all kinds of people and things into their lives. this is why we have to be renewed in our minds according to Romans 12:1-2, and like it or not, counseling (Godly & qualified) does have its place.
if you are delivered then thank God, don't try to explain it.
blessings
bithiah2

JimB · Nov 1, 2007

bithiah2 said:
don't argue with those who don't believe.
i don't believe in "soul ties" in that way but i do understand that one person could be obsessed with another person, they could have made that other person an idol, and if there was some type of witchcraft involved,then there could be an attachment from that.
i know because of the things that my family has practiced where they lived. there is truth in it, but most people who talk about this stuff really don't know what they are dealing with.
if you have been abused, it is not your fault. sometimes you could have an emotional attachment to that person and still be connected in an unhealthy way, and some people call it a "soul tie". when a person has been abused, they have problems setting boundaries and can let all kinds of people and things into their lives. this is why we have to be renewed in our minds according to Romans 12:1-2, and like it or not, counseling (Godly & qualified) does have its place.
if you are delivered then thank God, don't try to explain it.
blessings
bithiah2

I agree. But dont you think we should say that a person is obsessed with another person rather than make a spiritualized and misleading soul-ties doctrine out of it? We do not have to make a doctrine out of every human emotion.

\o/

Preach the Gospel at all times. Where necessary, use words. ~St. Francis

Always in His Presence · Nov 1, 2007

Jimbeaux said:
I agree. But dont you think we should say that a person is obsessed with another person rather than make a spiritualized and misleading soul-ties doctrine out of it? We do not have to make a doctrine out of every human emotion.

\o/

Preach the Gospel at all times. Where necessary, use words. ~St. Francis

Citizen of the Kingdom · Nov 1, 2007

I object mostly to the terms being taken from the secular. It's too much like traditional ceremonies were incorperated into the church to allow for pagen rituals. While the same thought is there it should be given the biblical transference and not the pagan. This is the same thing I posted in the Pentecost forum. The application of customs should be used to bring forth truths. But the heathen (pardon the term) wordage shouldn't be the influence given, the biblical should come forth from that.

JimB · Nov 1, 2007

Evangelica said:
I object mostly to the terms being taken from the secular. It's too much like traditional ceremonies were incorperated into the church to allow for pagen rituals. While the same thought is there it should be given the biblical transference and not the pagan. This is the same thing I posted in the Pentecost forum. The application of customs should be used to bring forth truths. But the heathen (pardon the term) wordage shouldn't be the influence given, the biblical should come forth from that.

Is the term soul-ties a secular term?

\o/

Preach the Gospel at all times. Where necessary, use words. ~St. Francis

Citizen of the Kingdom · Nov 1, 2007

yes, new ageish imo

JEBrady · Nov 1, 2007

HisW0rd said:
Is there a possibility that you could have a soul tie without willingly allowing it? I know that you can get soul ties from intercourse, emotionally, and spiritually.

My question is what if someone was lusting over you, thinking about you, or anything that would connect them to your presence, could that be a soul tie?

I was watching a biography about a young woman who was one of the most popular sex symbols. When I was watching it something said to me all those men lusting after her, can you imagine the soul ties she had to deal with?

I was a victim in sexual abuse and when I called a prayer line to pray against something I was dealing with (lust from other people), this lady started to bind spirits off me that I had no clue I had. I didnt get offended but I was curious. She seemed like a very anointed woman of God so I just dont think this was a mistake. I also heard how these spirits would linger on us and I notice how throughout the years men treated me until now.

Hmmm

The problem with this whole concept is rooted in misunderstanding the word of God and then carrying it on into superstition. Thats why youre wondering if you can get soul ties without participating in actions you think would normally give you this problem.

The principles in the word of God demonstrate to us how important our thought life and actions are. We are told to take all thoughts captive and make them obedient to Christ. Anyone obsessing sexually over another person is disobeying the scripture by indulging their fleshly fantasies and has opened a door to the enemy to come in control them.

The Bible tells us we arent ignorant of the devils devices. If someone has willful disobedience in their lives, they can end up carrying around a demon with them to help them sin even better, and its for sure that demon is going to be exerting influence to try to get others to fall with this one person who already has disobedience in their life. Its not soul ties that you feel. Its demonic power, pressure. And those who are weak in that particular area are subject to falling into sin unless they are living uncompromised lives.

The key to being safe is to give God your whole life in consecration to His will. The will of God for us is sanctification. Sanctification is a process of holiness through obedience. Through obeying the truth we can become so sharp in the Spirit that you can see these traps coming a mile away, and you avoid them. Proverbs says a wise man senses that trouble and avoids it, but the fool passes on and is destroyed.

No one can mind-trick you into disobeying God. They can lust for you all they want, you dont have to comply and if a demon is putting pressure on you, you have authority over that in the name of Jesus. The word of God says He will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you can stand, but will make a way of escape for you so that you can bear up under it. So read Eph 6 and stand fast in the liberty with which Christ has made you free, and dont be entangled again in a yoke of bondage!

tturt · Nov 1, 2007

actually it's all I had time to post earlier - but someone slapping a new age label on it - does not make it so.

BrBob · Nov 1, 2007

Even if the term "soul ties" is not in scripture, I think it is ok to call it that and denounce and rebuke Satan and anything you feel you might still have a connection to that you can't lose.

Soul ties can also be called strongholds/curses that pass on.. if you ask me. It depends on how you are looking at it.

Terminology is not all that important when you need deliverance from something and only the power of God can do it. Who cares what you call it.It is all of Satan and he has to be rebuked...

This is so very true. I don't care what you call it. Soul tie, soul knit, obsessions with, whatever. What's important is that the connection be broken if it is a negative thing. Any soul-level connection that is not of God is negative and needs to be broken. They can be broken in many ways. Some people just break them without even consciously thinking about it, some need to speak out in order to "make it real" for them. Others need spiritual advisory help to get it done.

If they don't matter to you, fine. Maybe Holy Spirit hasn't emphasized that in your life right now. He may later on in some way and He may not. Who knows?

We can all get caught up in terminology but we need to look at the essence of what we are saying. I know that some terms that Jimbeaux mentioned get really old after a while and eventually they lose their original meaning. My only caution when it comes to terminology is to not let the terms throw you. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

God Bless
Bob
Spearfish, SD

JimB · Nov 1, 2007

BrBob said:
This is so very true. I don't care what you call it. Soul tie, soul knit, obsessions with, whatever. What's important is that the connection be broken if it is a negative thing. Any soul-level connection that is not of God is negative and needs to be broken. They can be broken in many ways. Some people just break them without even consciously thinking about it, some need to speak out in order to "make it real" for them. Others need spiritual advisory help to get it done.

If they don't matter to you, fine. Maybe Holy Spirit hasn't emphasized that in your life right now. He may later on in some way and He may not. Who knows?

We can all get caught up in terminology but we need to look at the essence of what we are saying. I know that some terms that Jimbeaux mentioned get really old after a while and eventually they lose their original meaning. My only caution when it comes to terminology is to not let the terms throw you. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak.

God Bless
Bob
Spearfish, SD

Hi Bob. Guys like me always need scriptural support for these sort of claims. If there are soul ties/knits/obsessions and we can break them, where does scripture tell us there are such things and how we are to do it?

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