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I thought you just told us to not take Revelation literally?Satan was in the form of a serpent we know from Scriptures, as Rev. 20:2 clarifies for us....
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
Well, obviously figurative language doesn't have to be taken literally, like some things in Revelation, but I should have narrowed it to the Genesis creation account would have to be taken literally.
Genesis doesn't say that.Satan was in the form of a serpent we know from Scriptures
as Rev. 20:2 clarifies for us....
heritage36 said:Well, obviously figurative language doesn't have to be taken literally, like some things in Revelation
Conclusion:I thought you just told us to not take Revelation literally?
Exactly! Which begs the question, on what grounds have you decided that some parts of Revelation should be literally and other parts non-literally?Would you guys really not agree, some things in revelation need to be taken literally and some do not? I mean, do you think that verse is talking about three different individuals in the serpent, the devil and satan?
Again, is your incredulity supposed to convince anybody?I mean, come on people!
Would you guys really not agree, some things in revelation need to be taken literally and some do not?
Does Satan slither on his belly and eat dust all the days of his fife?Satan was in the form of a serpent we know from Scriptures, as Rev. 20:2 clarifies for us....
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
You still have not said why the Creation account must be interpreted literally. Nor have you explained how you decide what parts of Revelation to take literally and what parts not to.You do have a point, in that I agree some areas need to be interpreted more carefully because they are figurative and some are literal, I agree on that. If I seemed to suggest ALL OF THE BIBLE should always be interpreted literally, then I either said something incorrectly or was misinterpreted. I do agree there are figurative and literal areas of Scripture. I guess the point here is I believe the Genesis account of creation should be taken literally.
I guess the point here is I believe the Genesis account of creation should be taken literally.
heritage wrote:
So then Satan has this special thing going for Jesus' feet? Could you please point me to the new testament verse where Satan literally bit Jesus' foot?
Papias
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created,Okay, how would you explain the wording of it? I know many of you want to believe that the word day can be millions of years somehow, but that word, the hebrew word "yom" is used 2301 times in the OT and we aren't really confused by any of the other times like this, and any one of those 2301 times you look at when used along with parts of a 24 hour day like morning and evening, is always speaking of a 24 hour day, look into it yourself.
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
Okay, how would you explain the wording of it?
but that word, the hebrew word "yom" is used 2301 times in the OT and we aren't really confused by any of the other times like this, and any one of those 2301 times you look at when used along with parts of a 24 hour day like morning and evening, is always speaking of a 24 hour day, look into it yourself.
I know many of you want to believe that the word day can be millions of years somehow,
heritage wrote:
OK, sorry, let me be more clear. Genesis 3:14 (hey, that's Genesis pi!)
So the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this,
Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.
Since a literal interpretation says that this must happen, I was wondering where in the New Testament (or old, for that matter) it says it did, in fact, literally happen.
Fair question, and sorry if my first post sounded short.
Genesis, like the rest of whichever Bible you choose, is a mix of literal and metaphorical things. You have also agreed that the rest of your Bible is a mix, so it's odd to say that this one book has to be all literal.
Is the word "heel" used figuratively anyplace else? So I guess Satan must actually have interest in Jesus' feet? What about the word "dust", or the word "eat"? These are some reasons why the 2301 number is not relevant.
It's not what I want or don't want. If it were clear, scientifically, that the world was 6,004 years old, I'd be fine with that. It has nothing to do with what I do or don't want - I'm not so conceited as to think that what I want matters one way or the other.
Instead, it's the fact that huge amounts of evidence have shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth is 4.5 +/- 0.05 billion years old. My interest is interpreting the Bible in a way that is consistent with reality, as is hopefully the interest of all Christians.
Papias
So should we read the account of the Fall literally or not?Your area of genesis you quoted about the heel is after the creation account, and to be clear, I did say that there are figures used in many areas, just not the creation account.
Why should I have to agree? You still have not given any basis for reading one passage as literal and another passage as non-literalThough you think it is odd that I admit there are figures used in many areas, you have to agree, there are other areas of whole chapters that are totally literal too.
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