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Afraid not...
There was a group a couple years ago in Phoenix that would take new members on a drive around the greater Phoenix area at night with their brights on. When an oncoming driver would flash their brights at them (a common courtesy letting other drivers know their brights are on) the gang members would turn around and follow that car until they were along side them and open fire.
Afraid not...
There was a group a couple years ago in Phoenix that would take new members on a drive around the greater Phoenix area at night with their brights on. When an oncoming driver would flash their brights at them (a common courtesy letting other drivers know their brights are on) the gang members would turn around and follow that car until they were along side them and open fire.
Yeah, that is going to make them real easy for the police to spot. Not buying it.
Yeah, that is going to make them real easy for the police to spot. Not buying it.
Eh, it may be false on a nationwide scale, but it happened several times in the Lansing and Detroit area.
Lol if being "easy to spot" were a concern for gang members there wouldn't be any gang tattoos, gang signs, gang colors etc. These aren't the brightest people in the world.
If I remember correctly, when MS13 was still a newer gang murder was one of their initiation rites.
Eh, it may be false on a nationwide scale, but it happened several times in the Lansing and Detroit area.
Being identified as a gang member is a little different then being identified in the perpetration of murder. People act as if gang members act without any sort of rational thought. What would be the outcome of driving around killing random people? What would a gang gain that would be worth losing most of it's members to first degree murder convictions?
A Google search returns no hits. Do you know of a specific case?
The ones I know of took place around the late 90s. Don't know if google would hit those or not.
Of the ones I receall, two were in Lansing, three were in Detroit, over a few months time. They thought there could be a connection, but then suddenly they just stopped.
A few of my cop buddies at the time figured that maybe the people doing it were put in prison, or got killed. Every now and then the warning comes up again, along with the getting egg on your windshield thing.
I'm still nervous about flashing my lights at cars to this day.
I would think so, but I can not swear to it.
Were there news stories on these? If so I would think I would be able to track them down with the right key words.
So wait. They had no clue who was doing this or why? What info did they have?
We need to wait until all the facts are out, but it would seem from this story the cops overreacted.
The driver should have kept his hands on the steering wheel and informed the police when they were at the window. (Commonly required for CCW.)
If the driver holds up a gun, but isn't trying to turn or point it at anyone, there is no shoot, don't shoot situation.
They could have thought it was a hostage situation but that still wouldn't be a instant shoot situation.
They would've been local papers - Lansing State Journal and probably the Detroit Free Press. I don't think they've archived back that far yet.
They knew some of the people involved. If I recall correctly (And I might not, we're talking nearly 20 years ago) there was some forensic evidence that pointed to known gang members.
It wasn't the driver, it was a passenger.
It could've been overreacting, but word has it that they told the guy to drop the gun twice before firing.
One thing to remember, Belk, is that there wasn't anyone killed in these "drive-bys". Basically just windshields shot out, etc. I don't think anyone actually got shot, come to think of it. So it wasn't the typical "you'll get murdered" trope.
And I'm just not finding ANYTHING, let alone headlight shootings, from the LSJ from that far back.
OK. Given the dearth of information and your lack of certainty on the details I think I can safely claim that there are not gangs currently roving the streets looking to murder random people who flash their high beams.
Oh I hope that's not what you thought I was saying!
I just know that something similar did go on for a time in Lansing and Detroit and we were all kinda worried about it. That, and the egg thing, are just things to be aware of.
OK. Given the dearth of information and your lack of certainty on the details I think I can safely claim that there are not gangs currently roving the streets looking to murder random people who flash their high beams.
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