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proving evolution as just a "theory"

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If you think flippers are legs, you need to make an apointment witha good optician.



Please point out the difference hawkeye.

It is you who needs a refund on any courses that convinced you that evolution is based on science and is true. Nothing, especially diet contributes to natural selection. You can't prove natural selection is true.

It can be easily observed in action today.

I have to ask, what are your views on the accuracy of the Noah's ark story?

of course they do in the environment they were designed for. They could not survive on land. In fact they do not go on land for food. In fact if they did. land predators would make the extinct.

LOL, this is just completely untrue, do you bother to fact check this stuff before it pops into your head?

They aren’t picky eaters though as they will consume just about anything they can find to survive on. Some other common items that they will eat include invertebrates, birds, and small sized animals. This includes frogs, crayfish, and even crabs. They will also consume lizards and other items they can find on land when they need to.

Otter Feeding - Otter Facts and Information

 
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https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13780-salamanders-formed-new-species-despite-interbreeding/

In the study of ring species of salamanders, the salamanders remained salamanders. No evolution, no new species. It is unlikely the study included all families of salamanders and I believe some in the study could still mate and reproduce.


If you think there is genetic evidence for evolution, you don't understand even the basic laws of genetics. Genetics actually refute evolution. There is no molecular evidence and certainly geographical distribution or geology has no ability to cause a species to evolve.

Here is a perfect opportunity to produce some of this evidence and prove me wrong. Because links never provide evidence, I have quit reading hem. Feel free to cut and paste any evidence presented in any site you prefer.

How is it that not all monkeys have evolved into humans? Try asking the real question of why no monkeys at all evolved into humans. Because none ever did.

Evolution preaches we evolved from apes. That is just as absurd and totally unprovable.


What is difficult and impossible is to prove the explanation.
 
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Mmm, I'm sure I posted ERV evidence (not links) that contradicts everything you've said here. Why are you still ignoring it?
 
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Here Mayr is arguing for punctuated equilibrium.And, he's talking about fossils that are intermediate between species.

Then why does he say, "not connected by their ancestors by a series of intermediates?"

If gradualism is true, then we'd see slow change in fossils, rather than (geologically speaking) quick emergence of species. There are plenty of intermediate fossils, meaning fossils between major groups such as Tiktaalik.

What was tiktaalik before it was taktaalik? Don't forget to include the evidence to support what you have to guess about.

And these fossils are still being found today, meaning that the fossil record is much more complete than it was when Mayr was researching.

Finding fossil is not evidence of evolution. Not only must you link them together, you need to start with evolution's unprovable guess as to what the first life form was, how did it originate, and what did it evolve into?


I have not said or suggested Mayr doubted evolution. In facd he also said, "the fossils are the most convincing evidence fir the occurance of evolution."

It is amusing that what is "woefully inadequate" is the best evidence for evolution. That seems to be an oxy-moron.
 
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Agreed, but there are some who have not fully accepted evolution yet and they need to see the other side of the coin. That is the only reason I continue this discussion, which I will not continue unless they start producing some scientific evidence which they have not done so far.
 
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proving evolution as just a "theory"
 
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False. PE is also a gradual process.

A theory that eliminates intermediate fossils, is not a gradual process.. It eliminates gradualism as proof of evolution. Did Gould say it was a gradual process?



That is indeed absurd. I guess it's a good thing then, that "eating fish" is not what evolution claims is the cause of land mammals evolving into sea dwelling mammals.

Someone I was discussing whale evolution with said that. I know evolution makes no such claim. What does evolution claim was the mechanism for l and animal evolving into a whale.

Nobody claims it happened overnight.
Try some 50 million years, instead.

Time will not change proven scientific laws. Your problem is not "how long," but HOW it is possible at all.



I am happy for the hippo and sad for the crock. Now tell me wha teh hippo was before it was as hippo and what it evolved into. Otherwise what you claim is just an evo crock of you know what.

Surely they probably were lunch for other predators. Most animals are. Living exclusively on land, in the sea or even high up in the trees does not change that.

Practically every animal on this planet, is seen as lunch by certain other animals.

True but the eating may cause a species to survive but it can't be a mechanism for a change of species.

What is a predator to species X, is prey to species Y.

True again, but surviving is not a mechanism for it to become a different species. It only guarantees the species will survive. At least until some other stronger predator eliminates it.
 
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I always get this response when the person can't provided any evidence for what they say.

Thanks for finally admitting you would if you could, but you can't.
 
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Yawn. Do you have any response other than denial/handwaving/burden shifting/misrepresentation?

Do you ever provide any verifiable evidence other than the usual evo hand waving rhetoric?
 
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Instead of a long presentation of the usual fundie evo rhetoric, next time include the verifiable evidence for what you accept by faith alone. I am not interested in what you can predict. I am only interest in the evidence that makes your prediction true.
 
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I will be glad to when you do something I requested first---offer some verifiable evidence for what you say.
 
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If you think flippers are legs, you need to make an apointment witha good optician.
Hmm. These sea otter sure look like they are holding hands (I mean flippers) to me. I guess I better call the optician.


 
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When you use "must have happened," "If they occurred," "This is almost certainly" and other such phrase of doubt, it makes what you offer as proof doubtful.

To claim all life, animal, fish, birds, and humans and plants originated from one source, and you have no idea what that source was, is not only absurd, it can't be proved and the laws of genetics say it is impossible.

So tell me how a life or with no bones, not gene for bones and no need for bones produce a kid with bones.

Please include how the first life form originated from lifeless elements.

Also tell me what the first lie form evolved into and the science that cause it to evolve.
 
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They could not survive on land. In fact they do not go on land for food. In fact if they did. land predators would make the extinct.

Otters don't need to go far inland. When they go onshore, they can stay close enough to water to quickly jump in the water if danger approaches from land.

They may not be the best design for land, or the optimal design for water, but if they can quickly go back and forth between land and water as the need presents itself, they can be a quite successful creature.

And the ancestor of the whale could have been similar to an otter.
 
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When species live and if they live at the same time is irrelevant. The question is how did an A become a B, then a C, then a D, etc.

These are not rhetorical questions. I really want to understand how you interpret the scientific evidence and what creationist theory you have adopted to explain this evidence. (I am using the word 'theory' in its scientific sense here.)

Talk mentioning several species is not evidence.


What is it about "not connected with their ancestors by a series of intermediates" you don't understand?

What is it about "the fossil record is woefully inadequate" you don't understand?
 
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can you please go back to your reply to me in post 5687 and fix the quoting?
you likely have a typo in one of the closing tags.

Thanks

Sure. Sometimes I forget t and use the format in another forum I am in. Sorry about that.
 
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