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I think they are saying that it isn't a prophecy, it is mere conjecture on the part of the conspirators that the author is relating in his narrative.What's your definition of prophecy? Orthocat cited Deut (must come to pass and if it does come to pass, not lead you to different gods). I agree, of course. What's your definition?
This the prophecy? God will deliver Him before death?
I'm looking for a copy of his church history thinking it might be in there.quote=Montalban;I cannot find a direct link to Eusebius saying this. I only find yourself and CCEL claiming that he says this
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"And if this opinion be incorrect, it goes a long way toward explaining those men's misled and negative attitudes toward those books."I'm looking for a copy of his church history thinking it might be in there.
Did you see this at the CCEL site?:
"Jerome and Eusebius were of opinion, that Josephus was the author of the books of the Maccabees; but it has never been supposed by any, that he was an inspired man; therefore, if this opinion be correct, these books are no more canonical, than the Antiquities, or Wars of the Jews, by the same author."
I think they are saying that it isn't a prophecy, it is mere conjecture on the part of the conspirators that the author is relating in his narrative.
Who says "misled" & why? Is this just another incorrect, misled & negative opinion? Does it go a long way toward explaining its own author's attitude?"And if this opinion be incorrect, it goes a long way toward explaining those men's misled and negative attitudes toward those books."
Have they been changing their definition to suit the occasion?That's what I thought; it isn't a prophecy. Even Ortho showed the definition from Deut, which we agreed on. But it seems they keep telling me it is a prophecy?!
So, fabulous, it is not a prophesy. Shutting 'er down, Luke.
I'm looking for a copy of his church history thinking it might be in there.
Did you see this at the CCEL site?:
"Jerome and Eusebius were of opinion, that Josephus was the author of the books of the Maccabees; but it has never been supposed by any, that he was an inspired man; therefore, if this opinion be correct, these books are no more canonical, than the Antiquities, or Wars of the Jews, by the same author."
That can happen if one interprets Christianity through Judaism or Islamyou are missing the entire point. we are all telling you that you are not reading/understanding the prophesy correctly.
One can see the theory falling apart when someone freely admits its not a 'prophetic' book and another says that this means it contains no prophecy.Like Daniel and Chronicles?
SU, were the mockers of Jesus on the cross fulfilling a prophetic passage of Scripture from Psalms 22:8?
These you have outlined along with the other rules of interpretation concernning canon and prophecy that have been spelled out in these first 92 pages presents quite a dizzying array of contradictory hermeneutics ---the mind boggles. It would be quite stupendous to behold the complete catalog of rules of interpretation as they touch on genre, the nature of prophecy and canonicity. The problem is, as far as I can tell, many of these hermeneutics did not exist prior to this thread. I am confident even Martin Luther would blush.In summary it seems that the novel rejection of certain books is based on
a) claims certain ECFs agree on the canon, based on evidence cited that actually disagrees with this.
and
b) claiming that only books in the 'prophetic' section contain prophecy - and that if someone freely admits certain books aren't in that section then it's an admission that they don't contain prophecy.
and
c) reworking the prophecy in Wisdom to say that it claims Jesus wouldn't deny, and ignoring the similar passages (to Wisdom) found in Psalms.
These you have outlined along with the other rules of interpretation concernning canon and prophecy that have been spelled out in these first 92 pages presents quite a dizzying array of contradictory hermeneutics ---the mind boggles. It would be quite stupendous to behold the complete catalog of rules of interpretation as they touch on genre, the nature of prophecy and canonicity. The problem is, as far as I can tell, many of these hermeneutics did not exist prior to this thread. I am confident even Martin Luther would blush.
These you have outlined along with the other rules of interpretation concernning canon and prophecy that have been spelled out in these first 92 pages presents quite a dizzying array of contradictory hermeneutics ---the mind boggles. It would be quite stupendous to behold the complete catalog of rules of interpretation as they touch on genre, the nature of prophecy and canonicity. The problem is, as far as I can tell, many of these hermeneutics did not exist prior to this thread. I am confident even Martin Luther would blush.
ah, but if only Martin Luther had ccel.org...
Don't forget James...
That about sums it up.These you have outlined along with the other rules of interpretation concernning canon and prophecy that have been spelled out in these first 92 pages presents quite a dizzying array of contradictory hermeneutics ---the mind boggles. It would be quite stupendous to behold the complete catalog of rules of interpretation as they touch on genre, the nature of prophecy and canonicity. The problem is, as far as I can tell, many of these hermeneutics did not exist prior to this thread. I am confident even Martin Luther would blush.
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