Prophecy as it pertains to real time events unfolding now.

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 9, 2013

ebedmelech said:
I gave it...you won't receive it...so I guess you won't believe it.

No, you gave me a bunch of verses that had some of the words from 11:11.

You are right, I wont receive that.

I want something that confirms what I am saying happened in the Bible specifically.

If you cant provide the actual event, in clear concise fashion as the Bible never goes against itself, then something is wrong with your interpretation.

For example, this is how prophecy that has come to pass looks in the Bible.

Prophecy
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Proof of fulfillment
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

You cant show me a verse or anywhere in the Bible that parallels 11:11 like I am trying to show you how to do.

The Bible must affirm itself.

The old confirms the new, and the new confirms the old..

ebedmelech · Dec 9, 2013

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
No, you gave me a bunch of verses that had some of the words from 11:11.

You are right, I wont receive that.

I want something that confirms what I am saying happened in the Bible specifically.

If you cant provide the actual event, in clear concise fashion as the Bible never goes against itself, then something is wrong with your interpretation.

For example, this is how prophecy that has come to pass looks in the Bible.

Prophecy
Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Proof of fulfillment
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

You cant show me a verse or anywhere in the Bible that parallels 11:11 like I am trying to show you how to do.

The Bible must affirm itself.

The old confirms the new, and the new confirms the old..

Interesting...I did that...and you wont receive it I suggest you look at those I gave again.

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 9, 2013

ebedmelech said:
Interesting...I did that...and you wont receive it I suggest you look at those I gave again.

No, that was called cherry picking, you should no better than that.. In Prophecy, we call that "chuckin verses".. You cant find anything remotely close in one verse, so you find anything that has names in it and use it as supporting scripture.

I can prove that Christ wants you to cut your hand off if it causes you to sin.

Wanna debate that?

Didnt think so..

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 9, 2013

Fact:

In Romans11

We have Jews who are not of Christ (broken branches)
Jews in Christ (Olive tree, the root)
Gentiles in Christ (Gentiles grafted in from the corrupt tree)

Jew
Messianic Jew
Christian

all existing at the same time..

ebedmelech · Dec 9, 2013

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
No, that was called cherry picking, you should no better than that.. In Prophecy, we call that "chuckin verses".. You cant find anything remotely close in one verse, so you find anything that has names in it and use it as supporting scripture.

I can prove that Christ wants you to cut your hand off if it causes you to sin.

Wanna debate that?

Didnt think so..

Really?

Let's look at Isaiah 11:11
Then it will happen on that day that the Lord Will again recover the second time with His hand The remnant of His people, who will remain, From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, And from the islands of the sea.

Now, let's look at Romans 11:5:
5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to Gods gracious choice.

Does that passage say God is saving a REMNANT? Indeed it does. Does it agree with Isaiah 11? Indeed it does!

Now, look at Acts 2:8-11
8 And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretans and Arabswe hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.

Is EVERY PLACE named in Isaiah 11:11 named there? Indeed they are...and Peter preaches the Gospel to them and some of them get saved...3000 as a matter of fact...BUT that is not all of the Jews there...SO THEY ARE A REMNANT!!!

You have to engage your mind as you read. Ask yourself why is Luke (who wrote Acts), naming all the places these Jews are from? It certainly isn't to be entertaining.

Why are these Jews from all these places? Because of the exile of Assyria and the Babylonian captivity!

They are in Jerusalem for Pentecost and they hear THE FIRST preaching of the Gospel after Christ ascended. That is fulfillment of Isaiah 11:11!!!

You really need to engage the passages.

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 9, 2013

ebedmelech said:
Really?

Let's look at Isaiah 11:11
Then it will happen on that day that the Lord Will again recover the second time with His hand The remnant of His people, who will remain, From Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, And from the islands of the sea.

Now, let's look at Romans 11:5:
5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to Gods gracious choice.

Does that passage say God is saving a REMNANT? Indeed it does. Does it agree with Isaiah 11? Indeed it does!

Now, look at Acts 2:8-11
8 And how is it that we each hear them in our own language to which we were born?
9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretans and Arabswe hear them in our own tongues speaking of the mighty deeds of God.

Is EVERY PLACE named in Isaiah 11:11 named there? Indeed they are...and Peter preaches the Gospel to them and some of them get saved...3000 as a matter of fact...BUT that is not all of the Jews there...SO THEY ARE A REMNANT!!!

You have to engage your mind as you read. Ask yourself why is Luke (who wrote Acts), naming all the places these Jews are from? It certainly isn't to be entertaining.

Why are these Jews from all these places? Because of the exile of Assyria and the Babylonian captivity!

They are in Jerusalem for Pentecost and they hear THE FIRST preaching of the Gospel after Christ ascended. That is fulfillment of Isaiah 11:11!!!

You really need to engage the passages.

Whoa whoa whoa, what???

You are saying Isaiah 11:11 is related to Pentacost??

God says he will bring a remnant, a second time, and nothing about Pentecost or Babylon makes any sense.

Is this a Christian forum.. Ok, I give up, jokes on me, turn on the lights guys, you got me good..

Had me going for a while there..

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 9, 2013

Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

1. Ensign is Jesus Christ, Nations are Gentiles.
2. The outcasts, are the Jewish Remnant
3. Who returned not from the surrounding nations, but the 4 corners of the earth.

4 corners of the world in bible talk is EVERYWHERE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

The number four represents God's creative works, especially works associated with the earth:

Four cardinal directions N, S, E, W. with four Angels keeping watch at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the world [Revelation 7:1]
The Covenant People of God had four divisions of the day associated with the daily liturgical sacrifice of the Tamid (Dawn - 9AM; 9AM-Noon; Noon - 3PM; 3PM - Sunset)Four lunar phasesFour seasonsFour rivers flowed out of Eden [Genesis 2:10]
Four consonants formed God's Divine Name YHWHFour cherubim [Genesis 3:22-24; Ezekiel 1:10]
In Ezekiel's vision of the heavenly throne/chariot the cherubim each had four faces and bodies with four wheels [Ezekiel 1:10-12]
Four women gave birth to the fathers of the 12 Tribes of IsraelThe tallit/outer cloak covenant men were required to wear had four corners with four tassels [Numbers 15:38-39]
Four heavenly creatures surround God's heavenly throne. [Revelation 4:6-8]
The Israelite camp was divided into four parts when camping around the Tabernacle [Numbers 2:1-34]
The fourth book of the Bible is Numbers, in Hebrew B'Midbar = gematria 248 or 4 x 62The ancients considered there to be four elements: earth, fire, air and waterBible has four-fold division of mankind: lands, tongues, families and nations [Revelation 13:7]
Four cups of wine are used in the ritual of the Passover Seder.

ebedmelech · Dec 9, 2013

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
Whoa whoa whoa, what???

You are saying Isaiah 11:11 is related to Pentacost??

Indeed it is!

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
God says he will bring a remnant, a second time, and nothing about Pentecost or Babylon makes any sense.

Again this is because your not engaging the passage from knowledge of Israel's past. Was there remnants remianing from the babylonian captivity? Jeremiah says so...read Jeremiah 42. They were stiffnecked and disobeyed God despite His promises to them...and went to Egypt.

At this point you either don't know, or you aren't willing to think about it.

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
Is this a Christian forum.. Ok, I give up, jokes on me, turn on the lights guys, you got me good..

Had me going for a while there..

No sweat off me. I labor in the word for undertanding...so I will endure to the end...

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 9, 2013

This is what was said at Pentecost, you might also understand that this is God, and this is a prophecy that hasnt happened yet..

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Please try and say this prophecy given AT PENTECOST WAS ABOUT PENTECOST.

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 9, 2013

ebedmelech said:
Indeed it is!

Again this is because your not engaging the passage from knowledge of Israel's past. Was there remnants remianing from the babylonian captivity? Jeremiah says so...read Jeremiah 42. They were stiffnecked and disobeyed God despite His promises to them...and went to Egypt.

At this point you either don't know, or you aren't willing to think about it.

No sweat off me. I labor in the word for undertanding...so I will endure to the end...

Sorry, Babylon isnt where the remnant came from.. Doesnt fit this prophecy.

Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Your Scriptural knowledge is starting to cave on itself.. You are starting to contradict yourself, and use prophecy out of whack, verses that dont affirm anything..

Bible2 · Dec 10, 2013

interpreter said in post 174:

The only real-time events unfolding now are the 7 last plagues.

Actually, the world won't experience the 7 last plagues of the 7 vials of God's wrath (Revelation chapters 15-16), the last stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, until after the never-fulfilled Revelation chapters 6 to 15 have been fulfilled. At the first vial, an awful sore will appear on only those people who will have received the Antichrist's mark and worshipped his image (Revelation 16:2). At the 2nd vial, the sea will become like the blood of a dead man, and every living creature in the sea will die (Revelation 16:3). At the 3rd vial, all surface sources of fresh water will become blood (Revelation 16:4). At the 4th vial, men will be scorched with fire shot out from the sun (Revelation 16:8). This would be a solar-flare coronal mass ejection of solar plasma, which could make its way down to the surface of the earth due to the earth's magnetic field being disrupted during a magnetic-pole reversal which could occur near the end of the future tribulation.

At the 5th vial, the whole world will be plunged into literal darkness (Revelation 16:10). At the 6th vial, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan: Revelation 12:9), and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together in an attempt to defeat YHWH God (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). The Euphrates will dry up so that the armies of "the kings of the east" (Revelation 16:12) (i.e. the vast armies of China, India, Pakistan, Japan, Iran, Indonesia) can easily cross the riverbed and gather at the "place" called Armageddon (Revelation 16:16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). Once they have gathered there, as only a staging area, with all the other armies of the world (Revelation 16:14,16), they won't wage battle there (that's why the Bible doesn't refer to a "battle" of Armageddon). Instead, they will travel south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus returns and defeats them (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).

At the 7th vial, right before Jesus returns (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), there will be a huge earthquake which will affect the whole world (Revelation 16:18-20), and 100-pound hailstones will pummel the earth (Revelation 16:21). The 7th vial will also be when Revelation's symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) will be destroyed (Revelation 16:19).

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That is, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem, to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

Bible2 · Dec 10, 2013

xXChristPeripheralXx said in post 189:

This is what was said at Pentecost, you might also understand that this is God, and this is a prophecy that hasnt happened yet..

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Please try and say this prophecy given AT PENTECOST WAS ABOUT PENTECOST.

Just as when Matthew says "this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias" (Matthew 3:3-4), he means that John the Baptist is the fulfillment of Isaiah 40:3, so when Peter says "this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel" (Acts 2:16-18), he means that what happened at the Pentecost in Acts 2 began the fulfillment of Joel 2:28-32. For just as Joel 2:28-32 prophesied the receiving of the Holy Spirit in the "last days" (Acts 2:16-17), so the disciples had just received the Holy Spirit at the Pentecost in Acts 2 (Acts 2:4). And this happened in the "last days", for they began at Jesus' first coming (Hebrews 1:2). Acts 2:17 continues to be fulfilled today whenever a Christian receives Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:5-6). Joel 2:30-31 won't be fulfilled until the future tribulation (e.g. Revelation 6:12, Revelation 8:7, Revelation 17:16, Revelation 16:19). And Joel 2:32 won't be ultimately fulfilled until Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21, Zechariah 12:10-14).

ebedmelech · Dec 10, 2013

xXChristPeripheralXx said:
Sorry, Babylon isnt where the remnant came from.. Doesnt fit this prophecy.

Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Your Scriptural knowledge is starting to cave on itself.. You are starting to contradict yourself, and use prophecy out of whack, verses that dont affirm anything..

You know what...I'll leave you to yourself on this one...there's just is no use!

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 10, 2013

ebedmelech said:
You know what...I'll leave you to yourself on this one...there's just is no use!

Thats what 98% of Christians end up saying to preterists..

Sorry..

We keep the prophecies of our Lord Holy, that the promises given will come to pass, as they are day by day..

You never heard of a prophet giving a prophecy that wasnt in the future..

Get used to it, because the future is at hand..

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 10, 2013

Bible2 said:
Just as when Matthew says "this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias" (Matthew 3:3-4), he means that John the Baptist is the fulfillment of Isaiah 40:3, so when Peter says "this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel" (Acts 2:16-18), he means that what happened at the Pentecost in Acts 2 began the fulfillment of Joel 2:28-32. For just as Joel 2:28-32 prophesied the receiving of the Holy Spirit in the "last days" (Acts 2:16-17), so the disciples had just received the Holy Spirit at the Pentecost in Acts 2 (Acts 2:4). And this happened in the "last days", for they began at Jesus' first coming (Hebrews 1:2). Acts 2:17 continues to be fulfilled today whenever a Christian receives Holy Spirit baptism (Acts 11:15-16, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 8:15-17, Acts 19:5-6). Joel 2:30-31 won't be fulfilled until the future tribulation (e.g. Revelation 6:12, Revelation 8:7, Revelation 17:16, Revelation 16:19). And Joel 2:32 won't be ultimately fulfilled until Jesus' 2nd coming (Zechariah 14:2-21, Zechariah 12:10-14).

Funny how truth comes so natural..

God bless.. and Great Post..

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 10, 2013

Lets just shift the thread back into end time prophecy correlations.. Side conversations about everything vs preterism is honestly just going to derail the thread.

So, moving along..

I want to take a look at a verse that I find compelling regarding Israels return in 1948.

For anyone who isnt familiar with Israel, the nation left existence in 70ad, and wasnt a nation inhabited by the Jewish people until 1948, and in one day, with a pen stroke, Israel was a recognized nation once again. The Jews from all over the world began to move back to their homeland, and this continues to this day. In 1949-1950 there were 4 blood moon lunar eclipses, all on passover and feast of feast of tabernacles (Sukkot) over a 2 year period.

Upon returning as a Nation, Israel was attacked, in which it overcame many countries that would go on to form a coalition with the US. If you arent familiar with OPEC, research what I am telling you.

In 1967, Israel reclaimed Jerusalem against impossible odds(6 day war), once again laying claim, in part to Jerusalem, and a portion of the wall leading to the courtyard of the original Temple of God. In 1967-1968 there were 4 blood moon lunar eclipses, all on passover and feast of trumpets (Sukkot)

When we look at this verse in Ezekiel 38, I can help but see the return of Israel foretold in detail..

Eze 38:8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years(1948) thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword,(Retun) and is gathered out of many people(from all the nations of the earth), against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste:(Israel is essentially desolate from 70ad-1948) but it is brought forth out of the nations,(Jews were living in all nations around the world when they returned in 1948) and they shall dwell safely all of them.(Israel, while having the occasional scuffle about the temple mt, have enjoyed prosperity and abundance in the land, and have brought back industry, produce, and have become an exporter of goods to the world)

At the Rate Prophecy is unfoldingIts worth noting that the next Blood moons are going to happen in 2014&2015, in which we will see 4 blood moon lunar eclipses signaling the coming of a Jewish prophecy to unfold.

The only thing left for the Jews to accomplish is the Temple of God and begin sacrifices. The Red Heifer, which is a sacrificial animal, is once again in the land..

As soon as you see peace with Palestine and Israel, which is happening right now.. You are going to see the beginnings of the coming Temple of God, which the Jews are going to build next to the dome of the rock on Temple Mt.

This is the place where the AC beast will stand and declare himself God..

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 10, 2013

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTsGNU_vdvE

xXChristPeripheralXx · Dec 10, 2013

Ebedmelech brought me some heavy discernment regarding the mark of the Beast.

Notice the parallel on the verse numbers (13:16) , and the literal parallel in context.. Creepy..

Exo 13:16 And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

I am completely convinced the Mark of the Beast is going to be this:

Mark on forehead, Keeping the unholy word of the Beast system, or AC system.
Mark on the Hand, committing to evil works of the Beast system, or AC system.

Douggg · Dec 10, 2013

parousia70 said:
Not only Paul, BUT JESUS MEANT THAT TOO in Matt 24:14

How is that Hypocritical?

You are the one claiming they meant something else, and I have shown from scripture you are incorrect.

You are the unfit debate partner here.

Paul was using the whole world as a figure of speech. Jesus was speaking in terms of the entire world as the populations have become spread and nations developed to cover the entire earth.

When Jesus made those statements in Matthew 24, in the same content of then the end will come, he referred to Abomination of Desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel.

Which in Daniel 12, the abomination of desolation, would be at the time of the end when people are running to and fro, and knowledge increased. So that is the measure which we can with 20/20 hindsight know that criteria applies to our generation - not that of the early centuries clear up to 1948 when Israel became a nation again - the fig tree parable.

So what I see them who are preterists doing is isolating verses, not taking into account the other criteria which by 20/20 hindsight and living right now in the end times would make the view unrealistic.

Doug

interpreter · Dec 10, 2013

Bible2 said:
Actually, the world won't experience the 7 last plagues of the 7 vials of God's wrath (Revelation chapters 15-16), the last stage of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, until after the never-fulfilled Revelation chapters 6 to 15 have been fulfilled. At the first vial, an awful sore will appear on only those people who will have received the Antichrist's mark and worshipped his image (Revelation 16:2). At the 2nd vial, the sea will become like the blood of a dead man, and every living creature in the sea will die (Revelation 16:3). At the 3rd vial, all surface sources of fresh water will become blood (Revelation 16:4). At the 4th vial, men will be scorched with fire shot out from the sun (Revelation 16:8). This would be a solar-flare coronal mass ejection of solar plasma, which could make its way down to the surface of the earth due to the earth's magnetic field being disrupted during a magnetic-pole reversal which could occur near the end of the future tribulation.

At the 5th vial, the whole world will be plunged into literal darkness (Revelation 16:10). At the 6th vial, unclean spirits like frogs will come out of the mouths of Lucifer (the dragon, Satan: Revelation 12:9), and the Antichrist (the individual-man aspect of the beast), and the False Prophet (Revelation 16:13). And these unclean spirits like frogs will go forth and perform amazing miracles to convince the world's armies to gather together in an attempt to defeat YHWH God (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19). The Euphrates will dry up so that the armies of "the kings of the east" (Revelation 16:12) (i.e. the vast armies of China, India, Pakistan, Japan, Iran, Indonesia) can easily cross the riverbed and gather at the "place" called Armageddon (Revelation 16:16) (Har Megiddo: Mount Megiddo in northern Israel). Once they have gathered there, as only a staging area, with all the other armies of the world (Revelation 16:14,16), they won't wage battle there (that's why the Bible doesn't refer to a "battle" of Armageddon). Instead, they will travel south to pillage Jerusalem, right before Jesus returns and defeats them (Zechariah 14:2-21, Revelation 19:19-21).

At the 7th vial, right before Jesus returns (Revelation 16:17,19, Revelation 19:2-21), there will be a huge earthquake which will affect the whole world (Revelation 16:18-20), and 100-pound hailstones will pummel the earth (Revelation 16:21). The 7th vial will also be when Revelation's symbolic (and worldwide) "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) will be destroyed (Revelation 16:19).

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That is, Revelation's symbolic "Babylon" (Revelation chapters 17-18) represents all of mankind's corrupt political (Revelation 17:18), economic (Revelation 18:11), and religious (Revelation 18:24) systems throughout the earth (Revelation 18:3), and throughout history (Revelation 17:9-10). The 10 kings of the Antichrist's empire will destroy with fire what Revelation's "Babylon" represents (Revelation 17:16-17) when they destroy the cities of the earth (Revelation 16:19), probably with nukes (and probably with Fission-Fusion-Fission, "FFF", or "666", nukes, "F" representing the number six in English gematria), at the time of the 7th vial (Revelation 16:17,19), which will be the final event (Revelation 16:17) of the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24, right before Jesus' 2nd coming (Revelation 19:2 to 20:6, Matthew 24:29-31). They could do this under the direction of Lucifer/Satan (Isaiah 14:17,12), who could want to leave only a literal "scorched earth" for Jesus to return to.

Near the very end of the future tribulation, Lucifer (employing the ancient lies of Gnosticism) could say to the Antichrist and his 10 kings something like: "Our great battle against the evil, tyrant god YHWH is about to begin [Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19], a battle which we will win, and so we will be able to escape YHWH's prison house, this material universe, and return to the wholly-spiritual Pleroma [i.e. Heaven]. So let us now destroy this prison cell, this foul planet, and let us, as it were, burn up all the gewgaws which we have hung upon our cell walls. Let us burn up all our great cities, all our magnificent systems. Let us break all our chains of attachment to this vile physical realm, that we might more freely ascend back to our rightful place in the Pleroma [Isaiah 14:13-14]".

Of course this will be a lie. For at his 2nd coming, Jesus (who is YHWH: John 10:30, Zechariah 14:3-4) will completely defeat the world's armies, arrayed against YHWH (Revelation 16:14, Revelation 19:19-21). And Jesus will have Lucifer bound in the bottomless pit during the subsequent 1,000 years (Revelation 20:1-6, Isaiah 14:15). And Jesus will restore ruined parts of the earth and make them like the Garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:35, Isaiah 51:3). And after the 1,000 years and subsequent events are over (Revelation 20:7-15), God will create a new heaven (a new first heaven, a new sky/atmosphere for the earth) and a new earth (a new surface for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will descend from the 3rd heaven in the literal city of New Jerusalem, to live with saved humanity on the new earth (Revelation 21:2-4).

All previous chapters have already been fulfilled. Now skin cancer is plaguing Aryans, the image worshiped by Hitler the antichrist. And there are now 400 dead zones in our oceans. Global warming is here, and the Euphrates was dry on 9/11.

Prophecy as it pertains to real time events unfolding now.

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