It doesn't appear to me you're "getting somewhere".... people care too much about the opinions of and having dialectic with strangers on the internet .... chances are you two disagree, don't get stuck. Just a bit of advice.
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Ah ok maybe we're getting somewhere. Are you saying Gentile believers become Israelite ? This is also incorrect but might explain what you mean.
Don't be embarassed, for the query that exist behind your retracted question is worthy to address, i.e. What's up with that? Kinda makes someone feel left out of the loop doesn't it?
Yet listen closely to what it is Y'shua is saying, for he did not come for the Jews who considered themselves saved, Samaratains, or Gentiles, no nor any other name under the sun other than the lost sheep of Israel, so what does this mean?
It appears here, he only came for Ephraim and those who were counted with him aka the 10 Lost tribes bka Israel, yet he specified 'Lost' not '10';
The children of Yacob is reckoned by bloodline, but the sons of Israel are reckoned by faith and righteousness, for it was not a human who gave Yacob the name Israel, it was Elohym who gave him the name, and then as a nation told him that his occupation was to be priestly;
According to scriptural principles, if One's faith and reasoning is a by product of Israel, then you are counted as Israel, yet if an Israeli you be by faith then you are a member of the flock, and not just a goat hanging out with us, for we have a shepherd, and we follow both his voice, and instructions, which one must first learn to recognize and grow accustomed to before one can actually willfully follow;
Our faith is a path at the end of which we acquire the truth of the Kingdom of Elohym, those who hold that truth without any doubt whatsoever attain all the promises offered to the 7 congregations mentioned in Revelations (who 'Overcome'), and then some;
So the question everyone must ask them self, and or be prepared to answer is, Are you, or are you not of Israel? For everyone who acknowledges that they belong to the King of kings and conduct themselves accordingly, they are those who recognize his voice and follow his instruction, not their own imagination, nor the the voice of another;
It doesn't appear to me you're "getting somewhere".... people care too much about the opinions of and having dialectic with strangers on the internet .... chances are you two disagree, don't get stuck. Just a bit of advice.
Ah ok maybe we're getting somewhere. Are you saying Gentile believers become Israelite ? This is also incorrect but might explain what you mean.
Ezekiel 37 begins with the resurrection of Elohym('s) people, namely "the Entire House of Israel" and concludes with Two (sepharated) Flocks being reunited and becoming One, namely the tribe of Y'hudah (and his companions aka the Children of Israel), and Ephraim (and his companions aka the House of Israel), specifying, they will have One shepherd, and no longer be two nations עמים same Heb. Word for flocks?;
At the time of their captivity the ten Lost tribes all fell under the name of Ephraim/Israel the birthright, yet one must ask, Oh where, oh where can they be?
"And when he had called unto his twelve disciples....and commanded them saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, or into the Samaritan cities enter you not: but rather Go to the lost sheep of the House of Israel....whatsoever city or town you shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy; and there abide until you depart from there. And when you enter a house Salute it, and if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it: butif it is not worthy, let your peace return to you.
And whosoever will not receive you, nor hear your words, shake off the dust on your feet....He who receives you receives me, and they who receive me, receives the One who sent me..." [Matthew 10:1-40]
" For the Son of Adam has come to Save that which was Lost. What do think? If a man had a hundred sheep, and One of them happens to go astray, does he not leave the ninety nine, and Go into the mountains, and seek that which has gone astray? And if by chance he finds it, honestly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one, than the ninety nine who never went astray." [Matthew 18:11-13]
He does not send them but to whosoever will receive them, no DNA kit (which would prove nothing of scriptural importance), and because by now most of them have the blood of the Gentiles in them, and even if they did not, the DNA of Ephraim (Assyrian & Egyptian) would be identicle to that of Ishmael ((Assyrian & Egyptian), I sure the Jews who think DNA carries any weight really love that catch 22:
What we do have is Faith and a lot of historical information, and scriptural promises, and being belivers we should look out into the world expecting to see the fulfillment of such promises;
In Genesis Yacob blessed Ephraim & Manasseh as his First & Second born, their blessings (if expected to manifest) should render them the most populous people upon the face of the earth, and occupying a larger portion of land than any other people;
We Know that Manasseh & Ephraim are both Nations of mixed Egyptian blood (historically) double dipped in Assyrian blood (and then some);
You can call it speculation, but I'm certain that the twins of Yowseph have a tighter brotherly bond than any of the tribal nations, considering their birth was a result of their father being a victom of brotherly hatred;
The First Born belongs to Elohym, as such they would naturally be inclined to govern and shepherd their people which in Ephraim('s) case comprises nine other tribal nations:
I take all this information and look out into the world and I don't get two or three possibilities I see only one group of people predominating the Vatican which represents the seat of the Mother of modern day Christianity;
I have come to the conclusion that the Sephardi of Iberia (lit. Eber land aka land of the Hebrew) aka Portugal and Spain (and an array of tribal nations) are Manesseh and Ephraim, no one else even comes close in population or occupies more land:
Let the Skeptics be skepticle, and the faithful Exercise Faith beyond lip service:
Mary was a daughter of Yowseph's blood line is it any wonder why she is venerated by the Latin people, whose writting made it upon the crucifix itself?
...What does Sinai say or establish concerning any future king?...
Kinda like these people.
Rom 9:25-26 KJV As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. (26) And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
Hos 2:21-23 KJV And it shall come to pass in that day, I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens, and they shall hear the earth; (22) And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel. (23) And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.
These things were said to the Northern kingdom of Israel, God called THEM, Not his people.''
God promised THEM that he would return THEM.
The promise is not for gentiles, the promise is to make two men, ONE MAN.
That New covenant is given to Judah and Israel, not Judah and gentiles.
Hosea is not speaking broadly about the adoption of gentiles, he is specifically speaking to the ten tribes who became gentiles.
"...Like unto You..." Moshe was a Brother who was not raised among his own brothers, but was raised as a foreigner by the Honorable Goiyem daughter of Pharoah;
"...like unto you..." Moshe was promoted to the status of a Son who is Authorized to serve in the office-stead of Elohym i.e., the office-throne of the firstborn to whom belongs the Crown of the birthright;
"And YHWH said unto Moshe, See, I have made you like unto Elohym to Pharaoh and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet." [Exodus 7:1]
"For he shall be your spokesman unto the people: so shall he be, as one who is in the stead of your mouth, and you shall be to him in the stead of Elohym." [Exodus 4:16]
It is important to note: this passage concludes, that, The Spokesperson of Elohym is The Prophet of Elohym, which is also The Mouth of Elohym, and Elohym has made the same to be Like Eohym in this world;
The 'Levi I'k'bed' (the mother of Moshe) was a 'Laurel Wreath' (Laureate-halo) by name, and thus was a K'bowd Goiyem which by todays Jewish standards is a referrence made toward a Christian, or Messianic;
(aka the Mouth of Moshe-Elohym) 'Aaron' lit. a Laurel, and Levi lit. a wreath, means, that 'Levi Aaron'' was a 'Laurel Wreath' (Laureate) by name, which in Hebrew is a Crown of Kabowd (Glory);
His Sh'pheteyim (lips) were L'aurel (uncircumcised), and his (Peh) mouth was K'bowd, and his (L'shown) tongue also was K'bowd;
The Goiym tongue of an Egyptian, or Midian (in which Moshe had 40yrs each to become fluent) is foriegn to the native Hebrew tongue of Moshe, which he stammered;
The Hosts/Congregations of YHWH mentioned in Isaiah 28 are taught doctrine, and learn knowledge from a Crown of Glory who both stammers and speaks in a foreign tongue;
"Thus when the Chief Shepherd shall appear, you shall receive a Crown of Glory that FADES not away." [1st Peter 5:4
"Woe to the Crown of Pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a FADING flower, that is on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!" [Isaiah 28:1]
In that day shall the Hosts of YHWH be for a Crown of Glory, and for a Diadem of Beauty, unto the residue of his people,
And for a spirit of judgment to him that sits in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate." [Isaiah 28:5-6]
"To whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith you may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear." [Isaiah 28:9-12]
These things were said to the Northern kingdom of Israel, God called THEM, Not his people.''
God promised THEM that he would return THEM.
The promise is not for gentiles, the promise is to make two men, ONE MAN.
That New covenant is given to Judah and Israel, not Judah and gentiles.
Hosea is not speaking broadly about the adoption of gentiles, he is specifically speaking to the ten tribes who became gentiles.
You once told me all 3 had to be present at the offering of the new covenant....Judah Israel and gentiles....
Well ...were not all 3 present ?
When? You made a very broad statement.
I don't get your question.
But were the Gentiles ... ever promised a Messiah to save them?
All people are given treasures of talents, insights, and giftsPs 9:8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
God's visions is that all people will come to worship Him.Ps 17:14 From men which are thy hand, O LORD, from men of the world, which have their portion in this life, and whose belly thou fillest with thy hid treasure: they are full of children, and leave the rest of their substance to their babes.
We must never think that God does anything isolated. It is always for all people.Ps 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
We are all to come to know Him and worship Him.Ps 24:1 The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
There is not many ways the Day of Judgement is going to be judged upon all nations. Everyone will be judged by the same criteria.Ps 33:8 Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Yes, our Messiah has promised to judge them and in order to be fair they have to know of Him and made their choice regarding Him.Ps 96:13 Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.
But judge them He will. This is not an exclusive club for those who have joined any particular group no matter what name they go under.Ps 98:9 Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.
He calls all people from all over the world.Is 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
It is not that the Lord has not paid attention to other nations of the world but that they have turned away from Him.Is 34:1 Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it.
We, from all nations shall come and be with Him.Is 64:4 For since the beginning of the world men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.
Jerusalem has a special spot in our Lord's heart.Jer 25:26 And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.
Even in Yeshua's parables He spoke of the whole world as His field.Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
And I will leave this post with this mighty statement.Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Jews and gentiles were present during the making of the new covenant...when the lamb was slain....when he fulfilled all the sacrifices in one day for all the world...all 3 nations were represented there.....Israel Judah and gentiles were present and witness the ratification of the new covenant....so that all may enter into covenant with God through messiah....Because it was offered to the whole world...
God loves the world that he offers his son ....whosevrr believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life....by the way whosoever mean anyone ...not just Judah and Israel....
If you disagree....then a future covenant must then be made to Judah and Israel
God made a New covenant with Judah and Israel, not Judah and Gentiles, it was for the gentiles of Ephraim to be redeemed back into Israel through a marriage of redemption, they became Israel again and many gentiles came in through their open door.
But what does this have to do with you?
Those first gentiles converted to Judaism D.
Those first gentiles became one with Judah and became co heirs of the promises, but what does this have to do with you?
You keep quoting scriptures from a religion you left.
Jesus came and took two men, and he put them together.
But the gentiles left that religion, the gentiles created their own religion, their own Sabbaths, their own feast days, their own rituals, and appointed their own priests.
Those gentiles rejected Jerusalem and the king of Jerusalem and appointed another supposed Holy city as the city of God.
Don't YOU fight against Jerusalem, and the cause of Jerusalem pertaining to who owns Jerusalem?
Yes, you do.
And what will God do to those people who hate Judah and fight against Jerusalem?
The gentiles now called the commandments of God evil things to follow.
The gentiles went after anyone who would follow Jesus in his feasts.
So again, I ask what this new covenant of gentiles converting to Judaism has to do with you?
Did you convert to God's worship system D?
No, you did not.
Did you become one with the Jews, and do you love them?
No, you do not.
Do you believe in Jesus as the Passover lamb, and so do you keep the Passover in truth and spirit, or have you rejected the Passover of God and institute your own Pagan holidays and traditions?
So what do these scripture have to do with you D?
What does the conversion of gentiles into Judaism possibly have to do with you?
They converted to Judaism for over 100 years.
But then they created their own religion apart from the religion of Jesus, and instead of remaining one with Judah under a covenant, they broke the covenant willingly and created their own worship system that seeks to kill their brother and anyone who would follow Jesus in his feasts.
God loves the (whole) world.......that he gave his only son Jesus ...that whoever (in the world) trust in (his name) shall not perish but shall have everlasting life...
And I saw in heaven....a multitude of every nation kindreds and people and tongues..stood before the throne...in white robes..crying with a loud voice..saying salvation to our God which sits upon the throne and unto the lamb....
thus not only for jews but all men....in Christ Paul say there is neither Jew or gentile....only one man ....one Adam..a new Adam...,,a new creation... All in the faith are citizens in New Jerusalem ...God is not a respecter of persons
James 2:9,10
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