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mlepfitjw · Dec 10, 2020

Read your post @Jamdoc I believe there is scripture in Colossians 3 that mentions getting rid of filthy talk, which to me means along the lines of demeaning others in sexual exploitation.

there is also somewhere in scripture that talks about not using cursing, but I believe this means something like in the idea of cursing someone’s car to explode or for someone to die.

Tired but thought I would answer. That is the way I see some things mentioned.

Jamdoc · Dec 10, 2020

Agallagher said:
Read your post @Jamdoc I believe there is scripture in Colossians 3 that mentions getting rid of filthy talk, which to me means along the lines of demeaning others in sexual exploitation.

there is also somewhere in scripture that talks about not using cursing, but I believe this means something like in the idea of cursing someone’s car to explode or for someone to die.

Tired but thought I would answer. That is the way I see some things mentioned.

Well if you read above that's not really what I'm doing. I'm not directing words at someone in anger or to exploit them or demean them or put them down but the words come off as casual unless I'm hyperfocused because I know these words are stumbling blocks for people "okay make sure around this person I say 'stuff' and not another word that starts with s.." you get the idea.
I don't like having to walk on eggshells with my tongue 24/7, but I will check my tongue if around people that are offended by that kind of talk.
Otherwise.. it's just.. words.. aside from the ones that take the Lord's name in vain, I don't even know why those particular words got such a social stigma to them.

bèlla · Dec 10, 2020

Hearing a swear word every now and then wouldn't ruffle my feathers. But if it was a normal part of speech I couldn't stomach it.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

RaymondG · Dec 10, 2020

Jamdoc said:
I get pretty fed up with my friends using them and I hate how it's always their go to expletive when they get frustrated is to somehow take the Lord's name in vain (it gets a little annoying to all to constantly remind them to avoid that one by chiming in "what does He have to do with this?"), whether the father or the son, both get used (and why is it that the world sees it as okay to throw those around and I never hear Muhammad or Buddha used as curses?),

Keep in mind that "god" is not a name......There are many gods and you do not have to associate the one you believe you serve when hearing the term used negatively.

Jamdoc said:
is it an issue of Christian Liberty or is it sin?

In normal cases, I would say that one is at liberty....but in this case, you are not. You view certain curses as negative and off limits. Therefore, you also cannot say curse words deemed negative to others without it being a sin for you(which would be all of them). You judged, and therefore you are judged.

"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:"

As long as you have feel others are doing wrong when you hear them using any curse of their choosing, you will, likewise, be wrong when you use any curse of your choosing.

mlepfitjw · Dec 10, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Well if you read above that's not really what I'm doing. I'm not directing words at someone in anger or to exploit them or demean them or put them down but the words come off as casual unless I'm hyperfocused because I know these words are stumbling blocks for people "okay make sure around this person I say 'stuff' and not another word that starts with s.." you get the idea.
I don't like having to walk on eggshells with my tongue 24/7, but I will check my tongue if around people that are offended by that kind of talk.
Otherwise.. it's just.. words.. aside from the ones that take the Lord's name in vain, I don't even know why those particular words got such a social stigma to them.

I understand you now, earlier at work I decide to read your post. Those were the only two conclusions that came to my mind earlier when posting. I don't cuss a whole lot but I will sometimes, and there are times were you gotta check your tongue if you when around others. So I understand, you have a good day sir, thank you for your reponse.

Redwingfan9 · Dec 10, 2020

Jamdoc said:
So, I come from a background of being a US Sailor.
There's a certain stereotype about cursing like a sailor, and for the most part it's true, myself included.
Now, while certain profanities I do not use, the ones that take our Lord's name in vain, and I get pretty fed up with my friends using them and I hate how it's always their go to expletive when they get frustrated is to somehow take the Lord's name in vain (it gets a little annoying to all to constantly remind them to avoid that one by chiming in "what does He have to do with this?"), whether the father or the son, both get used (and why is it that the world sees it as okay to throw those around and I never hear Muhammad or Buddha used as curses?), and I hate how somehow those ones get used in prime time TV, like they're the most acceptable "curse words".... but on the other side.. the scatalogical and sexual related expletives.. I don't feel a conviction for using, not unless I use them directed at someone to hurt them or bring them down, but if they get used casually ... I usually don't even notice.
I consciously avoid using them around people who are sensitive to them because they are a stumbling block to many people, and I wouldn't use them witnessing to someone.. but otherwise, by myself, or with friends who it is not a stumbling block to.. is it an issue of Christian Liberty or is it sin?
Paul said to avoid all filthy talk but at the same time the bible contains scatalogical terminology even from the hand of Paul himself.

A lot of the terms people get all verclempt about are nothing more than historical barnyard terms that the Victorians decided were lower class and therefore unacceptable in polite society. Scripture warns us against coarse jesting, which is likely a warning against sexually charged jokes and terminology. Obviously we aren't to take the Lord's name in vain, which goes well beyond what some may consider swearing in modern culture.

Lord Give Me A Sign · Dec 10, 2020

bèlla said:
Hearing a swear word every now and then wouldn't ruffle my feathers. But if it was a normal part of speech I couldn't stomach it.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Exactly how i feel. It does bother me when people curse often and i really cant stand it when people curse around children

I hardly ever swear myself. Usually it only happens when im frustrated trying to figure something out

aiki · Dec 10, 2020

Jamdoc said:
but on the other side.. the scatalogical and sexual related expletives.. I don't feel a conviction for using, not unless I use them directed at someone to hurt them or bring them down, but if they get used casually ... I usually don't even notice.
I consciously avoid using them around people who are sensitive to them because they are a stumbling block to many people, and I wouldn't use them witnessing to someone.. but otherwise, by myself, or with friends who it is not a stumbling block to.. is it an issue of Christian Liberty or is it sin?
Paul said to avoid all filthy talk but at the same time the bible contains scatalogical terminology even from the hand of Paul himself.

Ephesians 4:29
29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.

Colossians 4:6
6 Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.

James 3:2-6
2 For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well.
3 Now if we put the bits into the horses' mouths so that they will obey us, we direct their entire body as well.
4 Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
5 So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things. See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire!
6 And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell.

Matthew 12:34-37
34 O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

Our feeling about a thing ought never to be the primary basis upon which we decide its moral quality. Being comfortable with using coarse, scatalogical terms doesn't mean using such terms is approved of God. As the verses above indicate, the speech of a disciple of Christ ought to reflect the holiness, purity, and grace of the Saviour, who is the Lord of that disciple's mind, heart and life (or ought to be).

bèlla · Dec 10, 2020

Lord Give Me A Sign said:
Exactly how i feel. It does bother me when people curse often and i really cant stand it when people curse around children

I hardly ever swear myself. Usually it only happens when im frustrated trying to figure something out

Exactly. I'm not listening to a cussing Christian.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Norbert L · Dec 10, 2020

Jamdoc said:
So, I come from a background of being a US Sailor.
There's a certain stereotype about cursing like a sailor, and for the most part it's true, myself included.
Now, while certain profanities I do not use, the ones that take our Lord's name in vain, and I get pretty fed up with my friends using them and I hate how it's always their go to expletive when they get frustrated is to somehow take the Lord's name in vain (it gets a little annoying to all to constantly remind them to avoid that one by chiming in "what does He have to do with this?")

The first time I heard that expression wdHhtdwt? It was coming from one of the worst "sailor's" I worked for. He said it to his best friend, who also was cursing like a sailor at that moment. They both played organized sports since children and I worked for him many years.

I was friends with both of them and everyone else got a big chuckle at this during working hours. The next time I saw my employer copy this friend's behavior, which wasn't long after. I decided to voice his expression against him this time around. Instead of laughing like he did the prior day, he got angry using his sailor language.

I wonder what's up with that? BTW he was also like one of the most friendly people you've met, if you were a customer.

mlepfitjw · Dec 10, 2020

bèlla said:
Exactly. I'm not listening to a cussing Christian.

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Would you believe that God would?

bèlla · Dec 10, 2020

Agallagher said:
Would you believe that God would?

The Lord listens to His heart. He sees beyond the profanity. We don't have His insight. Coarse talk produces a domino effect. The line keeps moving. As a woman, I don't find it edifying to my person or dignity.

Just because you're a believer doesn't mean I have to be subjected to bad behavior.

All things are lawful, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful, but not all things build up. —1 Corinthians 10:23

So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. —Romans 14:19

Yours in His Service,

~bella

mlepfitjw · Dec 10, 2020

bèlla said:
The Lord listens to His heart. He sees beyond the profanity. We don't have His insight. Coarse talk produces a domino effect. The line keeps moving. As a woman, I don't find it edifying to my person or dignity.

Just because you're a believer doesn't mean I have to be subjected to bad behavior.

All things are lawful, but not all things are helpful. All things are lawful, but not all things build up. —1 Corinthians 10:23

So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. —Romans 14:19

Yours in His Service,

~bella

Ah! Okay. Thank you for your response. Good news here for friend him and his wife baby be here Tuesday. How exciting. Just found out 45 seconds ago.

bèlla · Dec 10, 2020

Agallagher said:
Ah! Okay. Thank you for your response. Good news here for friend him and his wife baby be here Tuesday. How exciting. Just found out 45 seconds ago.

Congratulations! I wish your friend and his wife much happiness with their little one.

~bella

Blade · Dec 10, 2020

I knew a grand mother that prayed 4 hours a day. She had so much power of God. She always spoke words of life never negative about anyone. I was young lol I sad "dam" on the phone to her one day.. wow she rebuked me in Jesus name Over the years come to find out.. something that seems meaningless to us yet we should never use those words. Well they will never be spoken in heaven.

So for me its the words I am speaking in English not what they mean in some other language. I've got a warning lol from this site saying I was swearing but using His name or something. Explaining it to them did nothing lol. The lord knows our heart.. so we speak word of life always.

RaymondG · Dec 10, 2020

"they that stood by said again to Peter, Surely thou art one of them: for thou art a Galilaean, and thy speech agreeth thereto.
71 But he began to curse and to swear, saying, I know not this man of whom ye speak."

Jamdoc · Dec 10, 2020

aiki said:
Ephesians 4:29
29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.

Colossians 4:6
6 Let your speech always be with grace, as though seasoned with salt, so that you will know how you should respond to each person.

James 3:2-6
2 For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body as well.
3 Now if we put the bits into the horses' mouths so that they will obey us, we direct their entire body as well.
4 Look at the ships also, though they are so great and are driven by strong winds, are still directed by a very small rudder wherever the inclination of the pilot desires.
5 So also the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it boasts of great things. See how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire!
6 And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell.

Matthew 12:34-37
34 O generation of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

Our feeling about a thing ought never to be the primary basis upon which we decide its moral quality. Being comfortable with using coarse, scatalogical terms doesn't mean using such terms is approved of God. As the verses above indicate, the speech of a disciple of Christ ought to reflect the holiness, purity, and grace of the Saviour, who is the Lord of that disciple's mind, heart and life (or ought to be).

at the same time Paul called people dogs and referred to things as dung.

aiki · Dec 10, 2020

Jamdoc said:
at the same time Paul called people dogs and referred to things as dung.

And your point is?

Jamdoc · Dec 10, 2020

aiki said:
And your point is?

Point is that if certain words are "filthy" and we shouldn't use them, Paul isn't really practicing what he preaches.
If Paul is referring to everything aside from knowledge of Christ to be nothing but dung in Philippians 3:8, what makes a synonym for the same word forbidden that Christ would judge you negatively for using?
What gives these words, in English mind you, these English words, what about them is so vile that God considers the mere utterance of them to be sin, while many synonyms for the same thing are not considered vile or sinful? Not to mention because of casual use the word often is not even used to refer to that thing it originally meant anymore, but is used as a colloquialism for other things.
I think it's more about the intent a person has when they open their mouth rather than "naughty words". If they're putting someone down it doesn't matter what vocabulary they used, they still tore someone down rather than edified them.

mlepfitjw · Dec 10, 2020

Christ saves us. Not not cussing (though you can not cuss if you choose to) it’s really seemingly stupid argument really we are all still sinners, though the price of our sin has been paid for by the blood shed on the cross by the savior of mankind.

You can be good with your speech. What about your mind? Is it always pure and clean? Sometimes I get moody mad, it might be on rare occasions but I still do ya know? No one is better than the next. God has no favorites. Just remember that.

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