Profanity

Jamdoc · Dec 9, 2020

So, I come from a background of being a US Sailor.
There's a certain stereotype about cursing like a sailor, and for the most part it's true, myself included.
Now, while certain profanities I do not use, the ones that take our Lord's name in vain, and I get pretty fed up with my friends using them and I hate how it's always their go to expletive when they get frustrated is to somehow take the Lord's name in vain (it gets a little annoying to all to constantly remind them to avoid that one by chiming in "what does He have to do with this?"), whether the father or the son, both get used (and why is it that the world sees it as okay to throw those around and I never hear Muhammad or Buddha used as curses?), and I hate how somehow those ones get used in prime time TV, like they're the most acceptable "curse words".... but on the other side.. the scatalogical and sexual related expletives.. I don't feel a conviction for using, not unless I use them directed at someone to hurt them or bring them down, but if they get used casually ... I usually don't even notice.
I consciously avoid using them around people who are sensitive to them because they are a stumbling block to many people, and I wouldn't use them witnessing to someone.. but otherwise, by myself, or with friends who it is not a stumbling block to.. is it an issue of Christian Liberty or is it sin?
Paul said to avoid all filthy talk but at the same time the bible contains scatalogical terminology even from the hand of Paul himself.

disciple Clint · Dec 9, 2020

Jamdoc said:
So, I come from a background of being a US Sailor.
There's a certain stereotype about cursing like a sailor, and for the most part it's true, myself included.
Now, while certain profanities I do not use, the ones that take our Lord's name in vain, and I get pretty fed up with my friends using them and I hate how it's always their go to expletive when they get frustrated is to somehow take the Lord's name in vain (it gets a little annoying to all to constantly remind them to avoid that one by chiming in "what does He have to do with this?"), whether the father or the son, both get used (and why is it that the world sees it as okay to throw those around and I never hear Muhammad or Buddha used as curses?), and I hate how somehow those ones get used in prime time TV, like they're the most acceptable "curse words".... but on the other side.. the scatalogical and sexual related expletives.. I don't feel a conviction for using, not unless I use them directed at someone to hurt them or bring them down, but if they get used casually ... I usually don't even notice.
I consciously avoid using them around people who are sensitive to them because they are a stumbling block to many people, and I wouldn't use them witnessing to someone.. but otherwise, by myself, or with friends who it is not a stumbling block to.. is it an issue of Christian Liberty or is it sin?
Paul said to avoid all filthy talk but at the same time the bible contains scatalogical terminology even from the hand of Paul himself.

"I never hear Muhammad or Buddha used as curses?)" Because satan is not afraid of them, he knows who God is.

SamanthaAnastasia · Dec 9, 2020

Jamdoc said:
So, I come from a background of being a US Sailor.
There's a certain stereotype about cursing like a sailor, and for the most part it's true, myself included.
Now, while certain profanities I do not use, the ones that take our Lord's name in vain, and I get pretty fed up with my friends using them and I hate how it's always their go to expletive when they get frustrated is to somehow take the Lord's name in vain (it gets a little annoying to all to constantly remind them to avoid that one by chiming in "what does He have to do with this?"), whether the father or the son, both get used (and why is it that the world sees it as okay to throw those around and I never hear Muhammad or Buddha used as curses?), and I hate how somehow those ones get used in prime time TV, like they're the most acceptable "curse words".... but on the other side.. the scatalogical and sexual related expletives.. I don't feel a conviction for using, not unless I use them directed at someone to hurt them or bring them down, but if they get used casually ... I usually don't even notice.
I consciously avoid using them around people who are sensitive to them because they are a stumbling block to many people, and I wouldn't use them witnessing to someone.. but otherwise, by myself, or with friends who it is not a stumbling block to.. is it an issue of Christian Liberty or is it sin?
Paul said to avoid all filthy talk but at the same time the bible contains scatalogical terminology even from the hand of Paul himself.

*Caution Use of Expletives Language for Discussion*
Taking the Lord’s name in vain would be using Christ’s name or God’s true name directly in something vulgar or untrue. Not just the generic English word for God. Perhaps using father because but most “curse” words don’t include father.
Now. One can have the most vulgar and cursing speech around and not utter a single word deemed “profanity” by US TV censors. British profanity is different than US profanity. The British term bloody is profanity but not in the US. So is wanker.
Now. My view on it is because we can be vulgar and cursing without saying profanity that TV censors deem as problematic, here is my view:
I do not use the word damn because it is short for damnation and we are told not to curse anything. Tell something damn is truly a curse. Therefore, I do not say God D*.
Hell is a place. But I don’t ever tell someone to go there.
I do not call someone a bastard because if they are not that is falsely stated.
F*ck comes from the Germanic word to hit and that is what I think of it as. A different word for hit.
Anything referencing body parts is just body parts and the human body is the human body.
Sh*t is just poopoo.
B*tch is just a female dog.
I believe gossip more vulgar. Yes, you can combine “profanity” into vulgar speech but so can “normal” speech. But the definitions of these “profanities” are not vulgar. finally, just know your audience, I wouldn’t say any of these words around my 80 year old grandma. lol

Jamdoc · Dec 9, 2020

daydreameranastasia said:
*Caution Use of Expletives Language for Discussion*
Taking the Lord’s name in vain would be using Christ’s name or God’s true name directly in something vulgar or untrue. Not just the generic English word for God. Perhaps using father because but most “curse” words don’t include father.
Now. One can have the most vulgar and cursing speech around and not utter a single word deemed “profanity” by US TV censors. British profanity is different than US profanity. The British term bloody is profanity but not in the US. So is wanker.
Now. My view on it is because we can be vulgar and cursing without saying profanity that TV censors deem as problematic, here is my view:
I do not use the word damn because it is short for damnation and we are told not to curse anything. Tell something damn is truly a curse. Therefore, I do not say God D*.
Hell is a place. But I don’t ever tell someone to go there.
I do not call someone a bastard because if they are not that is falsely stated.
F*ck comes from the Germanic word to hit and that is what I think of it as. A different word for hit.
Anything referencing body parts is just body parts and the human body is the human body.
Sh*t is just poopoo.
B*tch is just a female dog.
I believe gossip more vulgar. Yes, you can combine “profanity” into vulgar speech but so can “normal” speech. But the definitions of these “profanities” are not vulgar. finally, just know your audience, I wouldn’t say any of these words around my 80 year old grandma. lol

Yeah you definitely don't need profanity to tear someone down, gossip is way worse about that. Yeah I get convicted so I really avoid using profanity AT someone more or less just yelling at someone period in anger is worthy of an immediate "you shouldn't have done that". A friend of mine's dad that used to hold a bible study for his son's friends was totally you know, got off drugs, stopped swearing no drinking and smoking just turned over a new leaf when he got saved... but even he dropped an F bomb when we were shooting off firecrackers for 4th of July and he threw a bucket on one and it blew up (he thought it'd just pop the bucket up in the air).. Just totally surprised and casual tone, nobody was torn down.. just a little surprised.

But yeah, other end of the spectrum.. I just don't like it when people use Jesus as a curse word.

SamanthaAnastasia · Dec 9, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Yeah you definitely don't need profanity to tear someone down, gossip is way worse about that. Yeah I get convicted so I really avoid using profanity AT someone more or less just yelling at someone period in anger is worthy of an immediate "you shouldn't have done that". A friend of mine's dad that used to hold a bible study for his son's friends was totally you know, got off drugs, stopped swearing no drinking and smoking just turned over a new leaf when he got saved... but even he dropped an F bomb when we were shooting off firecrackers for 4th of July and he threw a bucket on one and it blew up (he thought it'd just pop the bucket up in the air).. Just totally surprised and casual tone, nobody was torn down.. just a little surprised.

But yeah, other end of the spectrum.. I just don't like it when people use Jesus as a curse word.

Right! sometimes I’ll say Christ’s name when I’m scared (like if something happens when I’m driving) but I don’t believe that is cursing or profanity. In that moment, I really am scared and calling out for Christ. Even in anger, one can say, Lord give me patience or Christ give me strength and that is not taking the lords name in vain.

Jesus is YHWH · Dec 9, 2020

sometimes the meaning of words change over time and when I hear these words used below most of the time it has this meaning.

Damn
One of those words you can use in any situation. In any conversation AT ALL, you can just pop in and say "damn," and people will know exactly what you're talking about.

1. An expression of dismay.
2. An expression of awe.
3. "Giving a damn", the act of caring about something.

Damn homie
any outrageous statement, picture, video, or saying that merits a further review from one of your close friends because of it's outragousness.

JohnDB · Dec 9, 2020

Language is one of those things...
James talked about it as a double edged sword. (But I tend to think of it as one without a handle and sharp all the way)

As a construction worker (Electrician) I know of what you speak. It's so common it doesn't even ring my ears anymore... especially when I'm using it.

I can tell I've said something wrong by the looks on my Sunday School classmates.

Jesus used some pretty strong language at times but He also said "Do as I say and not as I do" when using language like that. He was never going to win "Rabbi of the Year" award with the kind of language he used.

But...

It's the youngest guys who feel the least confident of the company they are in that use the most curse words. Us older guys don't use as much. We are crusty enough without using that sort of language.
And we can be vicious without ever saying a single cuss word.

But to blend into normal society more...
Develop new speech patterns. New expressions that don't include such verbage. Use them a lot. Habits are capable of being broken. Just practice and focus on it.
Language is subjective.

I used to cuss only in Spanish...till I got called out on it by those who spoke it fluently. *Sigh*

Just try using your head a little more. You can do it. Engaging in that sort of speech really doesn't do you any favors in the eyes of your peers or authority figures.

1213 · Dec 9, 2020

Jesus is YHWH said:
sometimes the meaning of words change over time ....

I believe that is the reason why God’s name should not be used in vain. When it is used wrongly, it gets wrong meaning and it eventually can lead many people to wrong direction.

1213 · Dec 9, 2020

Jamdoc said:
... is it an issue of Christian Liberty or is it sin?
Paul said to avoid all filthy talk but at the same time the bible contains scatalogical terminology even from the hand of Paul himself.

I think sin is to reject God. So, if you don’t reject God, you don’t have sin. However, it is still better to speak in nice way, without useless words.

Der Alte · Dec 9, 2020

daydreameranastasia said:
*Caution Use of Expletives Language for Discussion*
Taking the Lord’s name in vain would be using Christ’s name or God’s true name directly in something vulgar or untrue. Not just the generic English word for God. Perhaps using father because but most “curse” words don’t include father.
Now. One can have the most vulgar and cursing speech around and not utter a single word deemed “profanity” by US TV censors. British profanity is different than US profanity. The British term bloody is profanity but not in the US. So is wanker.
Now. My view on it is because we can be vulgar and cursing without saying profanity that TV censors deem as problematic, here is my view:
I do not use the word damn because it is short for damnation and we are told not to curse anything. Tell something damn is truly a curse. Therefore, I do not say God D*.
Hell is a place. But I don’t ever tell someone to go there.
I do not call someone a bastard because if they are not that is falsely stated.
F*ck comes from the Germanic word to hit and that is what I think of it as. A different word for hit.
Anything referencing body parts is just body parts and the human body is the human body.
Sh*t is just poopoo.
B*tch is just a female dog.
I believe gossip more vulgar. Yes, you can combine “profanity” into vulgar speech but so can “normal” speech. But the definitions of these “profanities” are not vulgar. finally, just know your audience, I wouldn’t say any of these words around my 80 year old grandma. lol

You might want to consult a German/English dictionary for he meaning of German words.
German-English dictionary - translation - Langenscheidt

Albion · Dec 9, 2020

Jamdoc said:
...but otherwise, by myself, or with friends who it is not a stumbling block to.. is it an issue of Christian Liberty or is it sin?

It's hard to advise people about this, and I think the answer lies mainly in which particular words you are using. Sure, it could be a sin, if you're cursing God or using his Son's name in a vulgar manner.

But many other words are in the 'grey area' IMO.

What I've found is that people who like to use the "F" word in every sentence and more than that are not particularly offended if you don't copy them--so long as you don't call them out on their own language and you don't go the other extreme, avoiding ever saying "Darn." You know what I mean.

So try toning it down somewhat and somewhat only; and see if that doesn't work. It's easy to say "Holy Moley" instead of "Holy XXXX" and, to most listeners, you are neither a foul-mouthed lowlife NOR a Goody Two Shoes.

JohnDB · Dec 9, 2020

Der Alte said:
You might want to consult a German/English dictionary for he meaning of German words.
German-English dictionary - translation - Langenscheidt

Agreed...
The common word for engaging in marital relations is English in origin from the reign of King Henry VIII. When England pulled away during the reformation the King declared himself the Pope of the Church of England...
And a shingle was hung outside people's houses when a priest of the Church of England performed the ceremony to give it legitimacy...the Pope was ignoring Henry's desire for a divorce.

Fornication Under Consent of the King was what it said in full...later it just became an acronym. But it was a marriage certificate issued by the King's Agents.

Jamdoc · Dec 9, 2020

daydreameranastasia said:
Right! sometimes I’ll say Christ’s name when I’m scared (like if something happens when I’m driving) but I don’t believe that is cursing or profanity. In that moment, I really am scared and calling out for Christ. Even in anger, one can say, Lord give me patience or Christ give me strength and that is not taking the lords name in vain.

Eh, I try to avoid using it in those situations unless I'm specifically saying something like a prayer "Jesus give me strength" or something like that.. I don't just throw out the name, I always want to treat my Lord's name with respect.

Jamdoc · Dec 9, 2020

Albion said:
It's hard to advise people about this, and I think the answer lies mainly in which particular words you are using. Sure, it could be a sin, if you're cursing God or using his Son's name in a vulgar manner. But many such words are in the grey area IMO.

What I've found is that people who associate with other men who like to use the "F" word in every sentence and more in that vein, are not particularly offended if you don't copy them in that, so long as you don't call them out about it and don't seem to be going to extremes to avoid saying even "Darn." You know what I mean. So try toning it down a little bit and see how that works.

Well, like I said, anything that is involving the words God or Jesus I never like hearing as curses or used in the same context as profanity.. but I'm not bothered about other 4 letter words that people use in those same contexts. Vulgar terms for bodily functions and genitals and all that.. don't bother me.

JohnDB · Dec 9, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Eh, I try to avoid using it in those situations unless I'm specifically saying something like a prayer "Jesus give me strength" or something like that.. I don't just throw out the name, I always want to treat my Lord's name with respect.

As a Christian I carry Christ's name..
There is only one.

And public poor behavior is more detrimental than cheapening it's meaning on your tongue.

Albion · Dec 9, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Vulgar terms for bodily functions and genitals and all that.. don't bother me.

Yeh, I realize that I went somewhat out of the boundaries of your original question, but while I think the position you described here is reasonable, you might try softening that sort of sexual, bodily functions talk a notch and see if you don't feel better about the image you are projecting as a Christian.

Jamdoc · Dec 9, 2020

JohnDB said:
Language is one of those things...
James talked about it as a double edged sword. (But I tend to think of it as one without a handle and sharp all the way)

As a construction worker (Electrician) I know of what you speak. It's so common it doesn't even ring my ears anymore... especially when I'm using it.

I can tell I've said something wrong by the looks on my Sunday School classmates.

Jesus used some pretty strong language at times but He also said "Do as I say and not as I do" when using language like that. He was never going to win "Rabbi of the Year" award with the kind of language he used.

But...

It's the youngest guys who feel the least confident of the company they are in that use the most curse words. Us older guys don't use as much. We are crusty enough without using that sort of language.
And we can be vicious without ever saying a single cuss word.

But to blend into normal society more...
Develop new speech patterns. New expressions that don't include such verbage. Use them a lot. Habits are capable of being broken. Just practice and focus on it.
Language is subjective.

I used to cuss only in Spanish...till I got called out on it by those who spoke it fluently. *Sigh*

Just try using your head a little more. You can do it. Engaging in that sort of speech really doesn't do you any favors in the eyes of your peers or authority figures.

Oh it's more along the lines of casually without even thinking about it using a vulgar term like instead of saying "I got some stuff to do" you can probably guess what word gets substituted for "stuff".
I think getting angry with someone and tearing them down is sin even if I don't use any vulgar terms to do it.
But in casual use like I was saying.. man I don't even catch it unless I'm verbally walking on eggshells around certain people who I know those words would be stumbling blocks so I'm super conscious about not using them.

SamanthaAnastasia · Dec 10, 2020

Jamdoc said:
Eh, I try to avoid using it in those situations unless I'm specifically saying something like a prayer "Jesus give me strength" or something like that.. I don't just throw out the name, I always want to treat my Lord's name with respect.

I don’t just randomly through around Christ’s name either. If you read what I wrote I said exactly what you said.

SamanthaAnastasia · Dec 10, 2020

Der Alte said:
You might want to consult a German/English dictionary for he meaning of German words.
German-English dictionary - translation - Langenscheidt

lol Germanic is not the same as German.

SamanthaAnastasia · Dec 10, 2020

JohnDB said:
Agreed...
The common word for engaging in marital relations is English in origin from the reign of King Henry VIII. When England pulled away during the reformation the King declared himself the Pope of the Church of England...
And a shingle was hung outside people's houses when a priest of the Church of England performed the ceremony to give it legitimacy...the Pope was ignoring Henry's desire for a divorce.

Fornication Under Consent of the King was what it said in full...later it just became an acronym. But it was a marriage certificate issued by the King's Agents.

lol that’s a false etymology of the word.
Here you go:

Snopes
Where Did the F-Word Come From?

So this all brings us to where the word came from. Given the timing and location of these first known definitive instances, the two leading hypotheses are- first, that it probably derived from one of the many flavors of the German “[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]” or “fukkon”. For example, the German “ficken” meaning, “to make quick movements to and fro”. This line of words, in turn, is speculated to come from the Proto-Indo-European *pewg meaning “to strike/hit”.

Somewhat similarly, the other leading hypothesis is that, given the term seems to have come from around Northern England or Scotland, whose language would be influenced by Viking invasions, the word may have Old Norse origins. Those advocating for this hypothesis point to the Norwegian “fukka”, meaning to “copulate”, or the Swedish “focka” to “copulate, strike, push”, which in turn may have derived from an Old Norse version of the words, which may have birthed the English “f*”

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