Profanity

artofwar · Jun 6, 2004

sorry it should have read "people who are Christian"
but please refer to my original post on why swearing is wrong

Light Without Heat · Jun 6, 2004

artofwar said:
sorry it should have read "people who are Christian"
but please refer to my original post on why swearing is wrong

I'm a Christian.

artofwar · Jun 6, 2004

sorry not about you Light i just meant in general

Light Without Heat · Jun 6, 2004

artofwar said:
sorry not about you Light i just meant in general

Oh okay. Sorry. I just... thought... yeah. :o

Blissman · Jun 7, 2004

NHI said:
agreed.
I think about the "f" and "b" words here...

but concerning BOC's question," But, why are certain words wrong to even mention?"...

Well, "bad" words will continue to be recognized as "bad" until we all as a society decide these group of words aren't...but then we'll come up with more to meet there negetive connotations (to those that apply) ...
...Basically "bad" words are staples of a pagan, so by association is what gets me. How can one tell the difference between a Christian and a Pagan is both sound the same. Now Im not saying you or anyone (will) curse like a sailor (I know you said you don't curse). So whats the mishap in stubing you toe and saying **** ****? Well, thoughts become actions which become habits and so on...I didn't say a single "cuss" word till I was seventeen. This year in college, hearing everyone around me, I can't help but have b****, or other low tier curse words. So its kinda like going on the path to "wrong"...

B|tch means a female dog. Used in proper context, it is not a curse word. A person is not a female dog. sperm is a medical term. It could be used to insult someone. A dyke is an offensive term when used in context to lesbians.
A dyke also means a barrier to keep out sea water.

The F word used to be a term meaning sexual intercourse, and was not always a swear word. It used to be proper to say that one animal was going to F- another.

Duggie · Jun 7, 2004

[Light Without Heat].
You should be just as offended by a black man being stabbed to death by a group of racist thugs as you are by any person being stabbed to death by a group of anyone. If you're not, that's being racist, bias, and in some ways, discriminative.]

I think your missing the point. What I am saying is that as a black man I have a certain amount of empathy towards people of my colour when they have been discriminated against just because they are black. To suggest that I wouldn't be just as offended if anyone, regardless of their race, got stabbed is insulting. Of course I would, but as I have already stated being called a N****R is far more offence, just from a historical perspective alone, than someone saying for example "you Heeb, or you fat so and so". That is my, let me repeat MY personal opinion. If you have no problem with someone being called a "N" then the words ignorant and small minded apply.

Fiendishjester · Jun 7, 2004

revrobor said:
So you feel you have a right to use such words regardless of the offensiveness of such words to your fellow man (regardless of the reason he is offended)? In a case like that have you not just compounded the offense by showing a total lack of consideration for the feelings of your fellow man?

IMO the use of such words not only indicates what I have already said but renders nearly invalid whatever is being said by the person using the profanity.

I would most definitely not use the term regardless of the reason that my fellow humans are offended by it. I also certainly do not condone the usage of certain terms under any circumstance. This being said, there are other terms, like the s-word or the f-word, that have connotations that are not inherently offensive. If someone is offended by hearing these words, I would not show any regard for them because their offense is not based in any kind of logic or rationale. If my fellow man is offended for a particular logical reason, then of course I would respect their wishes and refrain from using such words around said person.

artofwar · Jun 7, 2004

Th F word actually means For Unlawfall Carnel Knowledge which is basically premarital sex and the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] word well over in Sydney at least black and white people use this word to each other as it is regarded as a rap word than a racist word, black Americans have come over and been horrified not that people called each other it but that no one got offended , same with cracker and white trash etc we just find these words amusing

Light Without Heat · Jun 8, 2004

Duggie said:
I think your missing the point. What I am saying is that as a black man I have a certain amount of empathy towards people of my colour when they have been discriminated against just because they are black. To suggest that I wouldn't be just as offended if anyone, regardless of their race, got stabbed is insulting. Of course I would, but as I have already stated being called a N****R is far more offence, just from a historical perspective alone, than someone saying for example "you Heeb, or you fat so and so". That is my, let me repeat MY personal opinion. If you have no problem with someone being called a "N" then the words ignorant and small minded apply.

Well, I choose not to look at it as "so and so many black people" were killed, or put into slavery. I would rather account each individual human life, were it possible, not as black men, women, or children, but as human beings.

I guess if you'd rather mourn your own race as opposed to anyone who has been enslaved, raped, tortured, or murdered, over the course of human history... that's up to you.

Susan · Jun 8, 2004

BecauseofChrist said:
I have been thinking about profanity a lot lately. I have searched the forums, but I have found a lot of old threads filled with what seems to me to be illogical posts. I decided to start a new thread to get most of what I am thinking out of the way first, so that I hopefully won't have to deal with a lot of illogical nonsense.

I do not cuss. I have been taught my whole life that cussing is wrong. The American society, in general, says that it is wrong. We can see that in the fact that there are television censors. But, why are certain words wrong to even mention?

A lot of people will say that words have bad meanings, and therefore we must not use them. That is not usually absolute. For example, most people are lax with the word ****. **** means feces, dung, whatever. It is often used to express anger, pain, surprise, etc. It seems to have at least those two meanings, and neither one seem to be bad. We all, as humans, have to use the bathroom to rid ourselves of waste - ****. We all feel anger, pain, etc., and we all have our ways of expressing that. Some people do this by mentioning the word ****. Some people mention a less tolerated word that begins with an S. This "S word" also means feces, dung, etc. Why is considered more wrong? Why do people get upset at even the mentioning of the word when they say that the meaning is what is bad?

Many Christians will quote Bible verses that tell us to rid ourselves of filthy language, not to have evil talk, and to avoid godless chatter. Nowhere in the Bible, however, does it say that certain words are bad. Who said that even the mention of certain words is filthy? It seems to be our culture who is illogically saying that some words are just bad to mention.

I have seen other posts on this site saying things like, "Would you talk to God like that?" and, "Do you feel guilty about using those words?" These are not fair questions for some. I used to feel extremely guilty to even hear certain words. That was so just because my parents taught me that they were wrong. A person who does not know English would not feel guilty about hearing English cuss words. The question about using the words with a conversation with God can be answered the same way - if you were taught that those words were wrong you might feel bad about using them before God. If they are wrong to use, you shouldn't use them before God (we are before God all the time, anyways...but that's beside the point). If they are not wrong, it should not matter if you used them while talking to God.

What do you think? If I have already stated a response to what you are going to say, please do not waste your time unless you are going to add something new. I do not want to go in circles with this.

Thanks.

My personal belief is that bad language is wrong for Christians to personally use. I believe that Paul mentioned Christians not using it as a way to set Christians apart, much as Kosher eating sets Jews apart.

IMHO, bad language is defined by culture and the language you speak. Usually, it consists of words that refer to sex or sexual organs aside from technical terms for either, words that refer to defecation or urination, and words that are meant to show anger, insult, or hostility.

However, unless it personally causes YOU to stumble in using such terms, I do not believe that Christians are automatically forbidden from hearing others use it. I've heard of too many people feeling guilty from not withdrawing from society into a "Christian safe room" because of this. Simply put, you are responsible for your own behavior, not that of other people who do not share your convictions. If you don't feel guilty about, say, working in a business or being in a school where everyone around you cusses, and you don't cuss yourself-stay there. They need your light a lot more than the "holy huddle" does.

jingwei · Jun 8, 2004

Swear words are used depending on the culture's view on offensive.
it mostly has to do with sex and rape in most cultures. In others swear words originate from death wishes, curses. Blasphemy, a French example of curse words. That's why we shouldn't swear.

GMRELIC · Jun 9, 2004

I myself try my best not to say alot of the offensive language, I really don't think people will be comndemed to hell for swearing, but I do think it is really not proper.
It really bothers me to go to a place of business or somewhere and hear those employed there using foul language, what does it prove or what does a person gain from it. I myself being a business man would fire someone on the spot for using foul language it is just vulgar, and makes people come across as unprofessional, and uneducated, When I see someone constantly swearing it reminds me of the type of people that frequently are guest on the Jerry Springer show, not really a pretty sight.

Duggie · Jun 9, 2004

I guess if you'd rather mourn your own race as opposed to anyone who has been enslaved, raped, tortured, or murdered, over the course of human history... that's up to you.

Please show me where I have made such a suggestion I have love and respect for all people regardless of their race. What you still fail to grasp, for reasons I just do not know, is that I detest racism of all forms. This thread was about profanity and I commented about the N word and how I found it offensive. You seem to have taken offence at me because I hate hearing the N word... that's up to you!!!!!!!

chispaza · Jun 10, 2004

The way I think about it (I used to swear like a sailor but it has been about 4 years since then) is that we are supposed to set ourselves apart from the world. This is the reason that I don't use profane language. And, it's true, society could say that any word is profane and then it would be considered so. The words that are considered swear words are those that have been deemed so by society (although most of society doesn't really think they are bad since they use them). Anyway, learn to express your anger or frustration in an intelligent manner rather than swearing.

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