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https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/isa/11/6/t_conc_690006The quote from Isaiah is future tense.
You might dare to venture into the study of paleontology and stratigraphy to try to find evidence of you claims, or lack thereof. No humanoid fossils were found with t-rex fossils. Someone with a high school education might be able to learn introductory geology texts.A person can be a Creationist and believe in an Old Earth. Adam and Eve are however comparatively recent. But the old earth notion of Creationism fundamentally contradicts the whole view that the geological layers we see today, and by which you date your asteroid strike, were laid by a catastrophic flood.
We do not really know what weaponry and capabilities pre flood humans had as these were destroyed by the flood. Maybe it was a simple as a really smelly plant that no dinosaur could come with 100 meters of being planted around towns. But just as today, if it existed, a T-Rex would pose no real threat to human civilisation I doubt if it did then.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth... 6 days of forming and filling. You separate the 2 as if of 2 different accounts but Exodus 20:11 does not:
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day
The dinosaurs were not our creation, it was the angels that left their dwelling to take wives of the daughters of man and have children. They also defiled the animals. Creating giants. I believe that all original man had been destroyed because of the violence on the earth. All that were left were the fallen angels, their giant children and Noah and his family. That's why God had to destroy the world with the flood.The standard Creationist explanation about dinosaurs is that they were mainly wiped out by the flood. If there were dinosaurs after the flood then they were not of the same size ( a reptile grows its entire life - so if it lived hundreds of years in a perfect eco system it would grow large)and it seems clear they did not survive in the post flood world as there are none today. Even the accounts of dragons fade out about 1000 years ago.
My question is this. The account of the flood is followed by an account of Nimrod ( a great hunter). After the time of Nimrod the world could be characterised in terms of hunters and of prey. Human beings started eating meat - something they did not need to do in the pre-flood world to meet their nutritional needs. But it seems clear that some of the dinosaurs destroyed by the flood were carnivores before the flood. So my question is why were their carnivore dinosaurs like T-Rex in a perfect eco system.
Explanations I have been toying with are:
1) The fall broke creation more significantly than previously thought and that while humans were not carnivores before the flood many other animals were. But given the vibrancy and longevity of life before the flood these predators sometimes took on epic proportions.
2) That carnivores were the result of some kind of wicked human or angelic genetic experimentation that was one of the reasons for the flood. Had God not wiped us out would we have been annihilated by the monsters of our own creation anyway?
I believe God created carnivores to be carnivores, not part of some broken creation or genetic experimentation.
1) The fall broke creation more significantly than previously thought and that while humans were not carnivores before the flood many other animals were. But given the vibrancy and longevity of life before the flood these predators sometimes took on epic proportions.
You might dare to venture into the study of paleontology and stratigraphy to try to find evidence of you claims,
No humanoid fossils were found with t-rex fossils.
The dinosaurs were not our creation, it was the angels that left their dwelling to take wives of the daughters of man and have children. They also defiled the animals. Creating giants. I believe that all original man had been destroyed because of the violence on the earth. All that were left were the fallen angels, their giant children and Noah and his family. That's why God had to destroy the world with the flood.
You might dare to venture into the study of paleontology and stratigraphy to try to find evidence of you claims, or lack thereof. No humanoid fossils were found with t-rex fossils. Someone with a high school education might be able to learn introductory geology texts.
The first of these seem most likely given the lifespans mentioned in scripture and the acceptance of adaptive change. Given a thousand years a creature created herbivore could well adapt and transform into a carnivore and indeed leave no fossil trail. Indeed given that there were only 1500 years between creation and flood it is possible that there would be very few fossils if any and that those creatures that did die in this time period were eaten or decomposed in the more vibrant eco system of the time. So there may be no dinosaur fossils at all until the flood catastrophe.This is the better of the two, but you're going to have a problem with the need for fossil evidence of herbivorous versions of today's carnivores.
There are a few different ways of looking at this one:
- That some herbivores were transformed into carnivores.
- That carnivores, not previously existing, were introduced in the same way that thorns and brambles were introduced.
- That Adam and Eve were kicked out of Paradise and into a totally different universe, like a parallel universe of some sort. What at first appeared to be a change in their world was better described as a change of worlds.
Paleontology is largely dominated by atheists looking for bones to write fiction about.
If the Nephilim were the progenitors of the giants and heroes of the pre flood era it is not that much of stretch to consider that they fiddled with animals also.
But do not agree that they had wiped out mankind before the flood. Methuselah for example died in the year of the flood.
Yes because all mankind was corrupt except Noah and his family.
Besides finally seeing the Lord Himself - right near the top of the things I want to check out in the future is the video of the pre-flood world with it's animal life and it's human civilizations - including those fallen angels and the resultant offspring of their interactions with mankind.
It's all very mysterious and fascinating.
Isn't that what I said?No that is not what the bible says. The judgment is on people still alive at the time of the flood AND there is a wicked liason with fallen angels implied.
Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.
Genesis 6:11-13
Isn't that what I said?
It'll be a great ride. Count me in.Given believers resurrection to a glorified state and the restoration of creation to the new heavens and earth where God is all in all I think the future may even more exciting, vibrant, majestic, beautiful and alive than even Eden was. We will once more be genetically perfect, in a perfect eco system in continual communion with the Maker and Sustainer of all life.
Hello Mindlight! I find the both of these notions interesting and stimulating. Thank You!The standard Creationist explanation about dinosaurs is that they were mainly wiped out by the flood. If there were dinosaurs after the flood then they were not of the same size ( a reptile grows its entire life - so if it lived hundreds of years in a perfect eco system it would grow large)and it seems clear they did not survive in the post flood world as there are none today. Even the accounts of dragons fade out about 1000 years ago.
My question is this. The account of the flood is followed by an account of Nimrod ( a great hunter). After the time of Nimrod the world could be characterised in terms of hunters and of prey. Human beings started eating meat - something they did not need to do in the pre-flood world to meet their nutritional needs. But it seems clear that some of the dinosaurs destroyed by the flood were carnivores before the flood. So my question is why were their carnivore dinosaurs like T-Rex in a perfect eco system.
Explanations I have been toying with are:
1) The fall broke creation more significantly than previously thought and that while humans were not carnivores before the flood many other animals were. But given the vibrancy and longevity of life before the flood these predators sometimes took on epic proportions.
2) That carnivores were the result of some kind of wicked human or angelic genetic experimentation that was one of the reasons for the flood. Had God not wiped us out would we have been annihilated by the monsters of our own creation anyway?
Hello Mindlight! I find the both of these notions interesting and stimulating. Thank You!
As concerns the second item, I am instantly reminded of the accounts from "The Keys of Enoch", who, I believe was Ezekiel's father-in-law? Enoch's book didn't make the cut, for admission to the bible, but it speaks of such "wicked human or angelic genetic experimentation". At that time even Ezekiel was under suspicion of encouraging dangerous mystical speculation, as well as being sometimes obscure, incoherent, and pornographic..
The standard Creationist explanation about dinosaurs is that they were mainly wiped out by the flood. If there were dinosaurs after the flood then they were not of the same size ( a reptile grows its entire life - so if it lived hundreds of years in a perfect eco system it would grow large)and it seems clear they did not survive in the post flood world as there are none today. Even the accounts of dragons fade out about 1000 years ago.
My question is this. The account of the flood is followed by an account of Nimrod ( a great hunter). After the time of Nimrod the world could be characterised in terms of hunters and of prey. Human beings started eating meat - something they did not need to do in the pre-flood world to meet their nutritional needs. But it seems clear that some of the dinosaurs destroyed by the flood were carnivores before the flood. So my question is why were their carnivore dinosaurs like T-Rex in a perfect eco system.
Explanations I have been toying with are:
1) The fall broke creation more significantly than previously thought and that while humans were not carnivores before the flood many other animals were. But given the vibrancy and longevity of life before the flood these predators sometimes took on epic proportions.
2) That carnivores were the result of some kind of wicked human or angelic genetic experimentation that was one of the reasons for the flood. Had God not wiped us out would we have been annihilated by the monsters of our own creation anyway?
Here's my Creationist explanation about dinosaurs:
I believe God created all that is (not only listed things, but every last thing).
And that means God created physics and chemistry too. And they work great. Because they are His design, His creation. Therefore any evolution that happened (however much or little guided, with many or with few interventions) before modern humans would be God's design, if He is the Creator, as I believe.
But dangerous dinosaurs would not have been compatible with villages, woman and children, fields of crops that could be trampled or eaten, farm animals as attractive prey.
Imagine for a minute that powerful predatory dinosaurs were still around 3000 years ago, before we had modern weapons. Would spears and arrows be able to fight off a pack of Velociraptors? Or their larger cousins? Guard against a Pterodactyl snatching sheep and children? No.
God removed them. It appears very much like He removed them -- made most dinosaurs into compost very suddenly -- with a large asteroid.
One that was very literally just the right size.
Not too small -- if that asteroid had been 30% smaller, most dinosaurs would still be around during the days of the first men.
Not too large -- too many good species, necessary and helpful plants and such, would have been destroyed if the asteroid had been 50% bigger...
No, that asteroid that hit Earth was just precisely the right size.
For our sakes.
And it looks convincingly in layers of rock that it hit about 66 million years ago. In that case, we can then see it means time passed between days of creation. So it makes sense to me that the special days Moses saw in the vision from God were each one spaced apart in time from the next.
I don't need convoluted theories to reconcile creation and science. Instead, read the scripture as it is --
and if you do, then
Scripture fits perfectly with the Earth being very old, much older than Adam by far.
We can see an old Earth even in chapter 1 with a literal reading, by realizing that of course time would have passed during verse 1, an unspecified amount of time, before verse 2.
That some unknown amount of time passed during verse 1, as God created the Universe and then Earth -- time passage during this phase -- is just what anyone might expect or think likely that did not have a previous viewpoint to defend. It's even the most straightforward reading of the text.
The scripture could have been revealed to Moses differently (but it was not)... it could have instead been different if God chose and we could imagine a whole different verse 1, not like God did tell Moses, which might read (imagined) "God created the Heavens (Universe) in an instant, like the blink of an eye" if that were the case. But it's not there, not in the text, and we have no reason to add it in or assume it.
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