Praying to Mary Thread

Standing Up · Mar 4, 2010

Anglian said:
Dear StandingUp,

Can you actually name a single Church which says that St, Mary is a deity?

Just cite the evidence - assuming there is any.

peace,

Anglian

Anglian-

I know you've read this thread as I have.

Standing Up

PS Church dogma, no, not yet. I already said that.

bloodbought09 · Mar 4, 2010

PilgrimToChrist said:
To attack orthodoxy? Hm... think about that one...

I said that being filled with the Holy Spirit makes it easier to witness to others. I mean in person, face to face, especially when someone has a receptive heart. I did not know I was attacking orthodoxy or any other church. Maybe that is what others do, but I think I am at least a little bit more complex than that. In fact, I am pouring to whoever has ears to hear. I was not even addressing you personally in all this. In fact I was having a fairly peaceful conversation with someone else.

PilgrimToChrist · Mar 4, 2010

MamaZ said:
The veil to the Tabernacle was torn.

And in the Christian Tabernacle, the veil is also split in two. God split the Jewish Temple veil in two marking the leaving of His Shekinah Presence there and the establishment of the New Israel which is the Church and His Shekinah Presence in the Eucharist. The Christian liturgy (in whatever Rite) is a the new, more perfect, reflection of the Heavenly Liturgy

I am not understanding what you mean when you say the eucharist elements. Are you suggesting that we see God as bread and wine?

Yes.

1Cor 10:16 said:
The chalice of benediction, which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread, which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?

We see God in the very pages of scripture.

The two are complementary, not contradictory.

We will see Jesus for who He really is when He comes back in all His glory..

True. We shall see him as He is and then we shall be like Him!

PilgrimToChrist · Mar 4, 2010

MamaZ said:
It is Christ in us that finishes the good work He started in us..

Especially through the Sacraments.

bloodbought09 · Mar 4, 2010

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

laconicstudent · Mar 5, 2010

Standing Up said:
Anglian-

I know you've read this thread as I have.

Standing Up

PS Church dogma, no, not yet. I already said that.

Are you saying that you predict a declaration of Mary being a deity to occur sometime in the future?

FreeinChrist · Mar 5, 2010

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PilgrimToChrist · Mar 5, 2010

All interesting threads die the same death...

Then a new one starts and we begin again.

Circle of life and all that.

PS: Just watched the new Miyazaki movie "Ponyo". Cute. Still like "Kiki's Delivery Service", "Princess Mononoke" and "Spirited Away" better though....

Musa80 · Mar 5, 2010

PilgrimToChrist said:
All interesting threads die the same death...

Then a new one starts and we begin again.

Circle of life and all that.

Shall we have some sort of vigil to mark the passing away of this thread or merely dispose of the remains?

Standing Up · Mar 13, 2010

Does the OP have some say so about how the conversation evolves or is it up to a Mod about something's pertinence?

student ad x · Mar 31, 2010

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Thread re-opened. Carry on

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MamaZ · Apr 1, 2010

And in the Christian Tabernacle, the veil is also split in two. God split the Jewish Temple veil in two marking the leaving of His Shekinah Presence there and the establishment of the New Israel which is the Church and His Shekinah Presence in the Eucharist. The Christian liturgy (in whatever Rite) is a the new, more perfect, reflection of the Heavenly Liturgy

His people are the tabernacle. His Presence lives in His people not in a piece of bread and a sip of wine.

lionroar0 · Apr 1, 2010

MamaZ said:
His people are the tabernacle. His Presence lives in His people not in a piece of bread and a sip of wine.

We don't deny that He does. He is also present in the Eucharist.

jckstraw72 · Apr 1, 2010

the Eucharist is the fulfillment of Melchizedek's offering of bread and wine to Abraham. the Lord gives Himself to us tangibly because salvation is just as much for the body as it is for the soul. If you believe that salvation only involves the soul as so many do, then its natural to deny the Eucharist, but traditional Christianity has always maintained the importance of man's body and the material creation.

MamaZ · Apr 2, 2010

Our bodies as they are will be changed in the twinkling of an eye.

jckstraw72 · Apr 2, 2010

the kingdom of God is within us -- salvation begins NOW -- it is an ongoing reality that will continue into eternity. this is why Orthodoxy rocks face -- i dont have to wait for God to do His work on me, as far as I allow, He is already doing it -- and that includes my body.

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