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Hypothetical:
I wouldn't apologise to my mum for fear of being kicked out the house, but because I love her and have done wrong by her.
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Do you think it is good for a relationship to let errors fester, rather than seeking reconciliation?
Prayer is not for God, but for us.
Indeed. It's not like we tell God something He doesn't already know.
Right, and it's not like by confessing my sins I'm somehow scoring points upstairs. I mean what servant in doing the bare minimum of his duties should expect reward?
The fact of the matter is that God has given us a promise, that if we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. That's present tense, not some sort of "Oh, I did that already twenty years ago" thing.
When I confess my sins I know God's word and promises are true, that my sins are in fact forgiven, because God has taken me and united me to Christ in my baptism, because Christ has died and Christ has risen, and He sits at the right hand of the Father in heaven. And that all that is Christ's is mine in Him.
Should I not confess my sins, sulking in them or hiding them (as though I could hide them from He who knows even the hairs on my head)? Should I hide them in myself, letting them fester and rot me from the inside? Or should I confess them, repent and cling to the hope and promises of God that are in Christ, clinging to His cross, and cherish the forgiveness I have in Him?
I vote for the latter.
-CryptoLutheran
It's only unfortunate that some sects over time have reverted to systems that make people perform certain rituals to avoid destruction.
It's very nearly the practice of voodoo.
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Think of this
When you are saved, you are saved from sin and death. That is, you have been justified, sealed with the blood of the lamb. What purpose, then, is there in asking for forgiveness for the remission of sins, since your sins are already covered with Jesus shed blood??
What were you saved from?
You say "sin & death".
Let's read this:
Romans 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death.
"In Christ" our humanity was saved from both "the law of sin" (the sin nature) and the 2nd death (the curse).
That's in Christ. Since you have placed your faith in Him you stand perfect in Him.
Confession of sin is because you are acknowledging yourself to be a sinner in need of His righteousness. Refusing to repent is outwardly stating you don't need His righteousness in place of your unrighteousness. It's unbelief, which can lead to apostasy.
Seems to me that when one sins and realises it then the proper response is to turn away from the sins one has committed and turn towards God in sorrow for having offended him and with determination not to offend him in that way again. That's what repentance is, right? To feel contrite for having done wrong and to turn to God with determination not to do the same wrongs again is a definition for repentance. So unless one's theology teaches that it is okay to continue in sin and not worry about it because it is already forgiven then one ought to repent, right? And if one's theology does teach that sins are already forgiven and one needn't worry about living in sin then that theology is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ and ought to be repented of.I've often wondered why many people pray for the forgiveness of their sins even after they've been saved. Admittedly, I've done this because I want to be right with God, even though I've had questions as to whether it was actually needed.
Think of this
When you are saved, you are saved from sin and death. That is, you have been justified, sealed with the blood of the lamb. What purpose, then, is there in asking for forgiveness for the remission of sins, since your sins are already covered with Jesus shed blood?
I can understand it in the following context:
We ask for relational forgiveness from God, but not for the remission of sins, as those have already been taken care of as part of salvation. What do you think?
Seems to me that when one sins and realises it then the proper response is to turn away from the sins one has committed and turn towards God in sorrow for having offended him and with determination not to offend him in that way again. That's what repentance is, right? To feel contrite for having done wrong and to turn to God with determination not to do the same wrongs again is a definition for repentance. So unless one's theology teaches that it is okay to continue in sin and not worry about it because it is already forgiven then one ought to repent, right? And if one's theology does teach that sins are already forgiven and one needn't worry about living in sin then that theology is contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ and ought to be repented of.
Exactly, so repentance for sins is the norm and people pray for forgiveness when they repent because that's what repenting involves.I don't know of anyone's theology that says that it is okay to continue to live in sin, or that we should feel okay to continue in sin.
What do you mean with the word rituals?
It may become a tradition and all the life yet it is not a ritual like magic if that is what you mean?
Verses became a tradition of remembrance like to share the bread when eating in the first christian church Matthew 26:26 or verses became a full life of repentance for other christians too Luke 18:13
I also believe that you should admit that you've sinned after conversion for those times when you do sin. However, to say that confessing your sin post-conversion is to prevent you from going to hell is to argue that one must not only have faith, but it appears as faith plus works.
When you pass from an unbeliever to a believer, you pass from sin and death to life.
You are no longer defined as a sinner, you are now a saint. Therefore, there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus.
Suppose you were angry at someone and cursed at them right before you were killed in a car accident. Is lack of confession in the mere seconds left of life before death going to keep one out of Heaven?
Are you arguing that the Holy Spirit can leave a child of God?
I've often wondered why many people pray for the forgiveness of their sins even after they've been saved. Admittedly, I've done this because I want to be right with God, even though I've had questions as to whether it was actually needed.
Think of this
When you are saved, you are saved from sin and death. That is, you have been justified, sealed with the blood of the lamb. What purpose, then, is there in asking for forgiveness for the remission of sins, since your sins are already covered with Jesus shed blood?
I can understand it in the following context:
We ask for relational forgiveness from God, but not for the remission of sins, as those have already been taken care of as part of salvation. What do you think?
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