please advise,what is Sola Scriptura

AliOgg · May 8, 2005

mythbuster said:
[Remember Antipas.
Peace be multiplied

Thank you my friend, I thought there was more than 1 Antipas am I wrong, are you refering to " remember antipas my faithfull witness "

And God Bless All His Peoples.

AliOgg · May 8, 2005

InquisitorKind said:
In the interest of maintaining your credibility, please present seven or eight functionally different definitions of Sola Scriptura. If you can't, we'll reject your claim for what it is.

~Matt

Who's we?

And God Bless All His Peoples.

InquisitorKind · May 8, 2005

AliOgg said:
Who's we?

It's generic. I assume, and probably not incorrectly, that I am not the only one who would like to Peter's claim defended.

~Matt

AliOgg · May 8, 2005

InquisitorKind said:
It's generic. I assume, and probably not incorrectly, that I am not the only one who would like to Peter's claim defended.

~Matt

9 people in a room 10 answers, I don't see how he can lose this one

And God Bless All His Peoples.

InquisitorKind · May 8, 2005

AliOgg said:
9 people in a room 10 answers, I don't see how he can lose this one

Until he provides evidence of such a claim, it will be rejected. Perhaps you'd be willing to produce nine or ten functionally different definitions?

~Matt

AliOgg · May 9, 2005

InquisitorKind said:
Until he provides evidence of such a claim, it will be rejected. Perhaps you'd be willing to produce nine or ten functionally different definitions?

~Matt

There was no mention in post#2 of functionally or different, where do these come from,9 people in a room 9 individual answers assuming they only answer once plus 1 answer gained from the collected "wisdom" of the 9 whether the 9 have any wisdom or not, even if I produced 20 " functionally different "answers
it would not "prove" the original statement which is "proved" by 9 people in a room not the answers provided by 1 person.
As you seem keen to participate in this thread perhaps you could tell me what you think Sola Scriptura means

And God Bless All His Peoples.

AliOgg · May 9, 2005

Peter said:
Literaly, scripture alone. However, if you have 9 people in a room, you'll get 10 answers as to what that means.
Peace.
Rdr. Peter

Seems to me I've got a few already

And God Bless All His Peoples.

mythbuster · May 9, 2005

AliOgg said:
Thank you my friend, I thought there was more than 1 Antipas am I wrong, are you refering to " remember antipas my faithfull witness "

And God Bless All His Peoples.

Yes, Rev 2:13.
There is only one in the New Testament that I can find, but maybe there is an Antipas in the Old T?
Maybe with all the different translations there is another?
Peace be multipied.

AliOgg · May 9, 2005

mythbuster said:
Yes, Rev 2:13.
There is only one in the New Testament that I can find, but maybe there is an Antipas in the Old T?
Maybe with all the different translations there is another?
Peace be multipied.

Looks like your right, I can only find the one as well, wonder what I was thinking of???????

And God Bless All His Peoples.

Peter · May 9, 2005

Hyperbole. I, the author of the statement regarding 9 people and 10 answers, did not intend for my writing to be interpreted literaly. It was a literary device used to underscore a point. But what do I know, I'm the author.

I work in a Protestant school. We have to take a class every 5 years called "Remaining Reformed." The definition of sola scriptura is never given. It is left open to all the various denominations represented to interpret for themselves. (loosely, it allowed to be defined as "as long as you use the Bible.")

The Presbyterian Church I used to be in was much clear cut in it's definition. Sola scriptura meant "the scriptures alone are sufficient." Again, that's as far as they went, allowing for personal development.

I have seen at least 3-4 other definitions in this forum.

You might be surprised to learn that for we Orthodox, the scriptures are the highest form of Holy Tradition. Any belief or praxis must not violate scripture and the historical interpretation of scripture within the Church. (Orthodoxy does not have an earthly head that makes such decisions. Decsions are made in a concilliary fashion.)

However, we do not hold to a narrow view that the Bible is the head of the Church. Christ is the head of the Church. It is the Church for whom He died and for whom He will return. (Dont get all hung up in the whole is it an organization or a mystical union? 'Cause we say "YES"!) The Holy Spirit is the sole guide of the Church. And because He is one of the God head and the God head cannot be divided or contradict itself, we believe that the Holy Spirit can give only one right, truthful, orthodox inspiration of interpretation. This interpretation has been maintained in the living breathing saints on earth, following in the footsteps of Paul's instruction to Timothy.

As my own post has shown, words are mere symbols that require interpretation. Only those to whom I reveal the interpretation have full confidence that their interpretation is correct. Those who come later need only to check with the interpretations of those whom I taught. Any other interpretations are only the opinions of the interpretors, and are suspect.

I'll leave you this to chew on for a while. I gotta go teach a class.

Peace.

Rdr. Peter

AliOgg · May 9, 2005

Peter said:
Literaly, scripture alone. However, if you have 9 people in a room, you'll get 10 answers as to what that means.

Here is a link to a pca site: http://www.mbrem.com/bible/solahodge.htm

Please note, by posting this link, I am not endorsing the material, just merely trying to answer your question.

Peace.

Rdr. Peter

An interesting read, it says,"Whatever conveys to us an infallible knowledge of his teachings and commands is an infallible rule".

My question is, How can man have infallible knowledge of the teachings and commands of the Lord God Almighty when Revelation 10:4 tells us "And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven saying, "Seal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down."" ?

And God Bless All His Peoples.

AliOgg · May 9, 2005

Peter said:
Hyperbole. I, the author of the statement regarding 9 people and 10 answers, did not intend for my writing to be interpreted literaly. It was a literary device used to underscore a point. But what do I know, I'm the author.

I work in a Protestant school. We have to take a class every 5 years called "Remaining Reformed." The definition of sola scriptura is never given. It is left open to all the various denominations represented to interpret for themselves. (loosely, it allowed to be defined as "as long as you use the Bible.")

The Presbyterian Church I used to be in was much clear cut in it's definition. Sola scriptura meant "the scriptures alone are sufficient." Again, that's as far as they went, allowing for personal development.

I have seen at least 3-4 other definitions in this forum.

You might be surprised to learn that for we Orthodox, the scriptures are the highest form of Holy Tradition. Any belief or praxis must not violate scripture and the historical interpretation of scripture within the Church. (Orthodoxy does not have an earthly head that makes such decisions. Decsions are made in a concilliary fashion.)

However, we do not hold to a narrow view that the Bible is the head of the Church. Christ is the head of the Church. It is the Church for whom He died and for whom He will return. (Dont get all hung up in the whole is it an organization or a mystical union? 'Cause we say "YES"!) The Holy Spirit is the sole guide of the Church. And because He is one of the God head and the God head cannot be divided or contradict itself, we believe that the Holy Spirit can give only one right, truthful, orthodox inspiration of interpretation. This interpretation has been maintained in the living breathing saints on earth, following in the footsteps of Paul's instruction to Timothy.

As my own post has shown, words are mere symbols that require interpretation. Only those to whom I reveal the interpretation have full confidence that their interpretation is correct. Those who come later need only to check with the interpretations of those whom I taught. Any other interpretations are only the opinions of the interpretors, and are suspect.

I'll leave you this to chew on for a while. I gotta go teach a class.

Peace.

Rdr. Peter

O'h teech' I was only having a bit of fun

And God Bless All His Peoples.

InquisitorKind · May 11, 2005

AliOgg said:
There was no mention in post#2 of functionally or different, where do these come from

The original comment comes across as stating that Protestantism has many functionally different definitions of Sola Scriptura (i.e. significantly different versions of the doctrine). Of course having nine people give nine answers means nine different versions. But versions can be either variations of the same doctrine, or completely different doctrines. Since I understood Peter's comments to be the latter, I was asking for evidence of it.

it would not "prove" the original statement which is "proved" by 9 people in a room not the answers provided by 1 person.

Since we understand the original statement differently, I can't argue with this.

~Matt

InquisitorKind · May 11, 2005

Peter said:
Hyperbole. I, the author of the statement regarding 9 people and 10 answers, did not intend for my writing to be interpreted literaly. It was a literary device used to underscore a point. But what do I know, I'm the author.

Hyperbole is a fine literary device. But if you don't want people to take your words literally, write in such a way as to allow us to understand you're making an exaggeration.

I have seen at least 3-4 other definitions in this forum.

Are they functionally the same (i.e. are they significantly different from the classical definition as outlined by the Reformers)? And are they official denominational positions? If not, it's difficult to know what significance there is in quoting non-official members of particular church communities in order to determine variance in belief in Sola Scriptura. You might as well see how many definitions of the Eastern Orthodox rule of faith can be brought to bear by polling various Eastern Orthodox lay-persons on the internet.

Only those to whom I reveal the interpretation have full confidence that their interpretation is correct.

That's only if, among other things, the interpreter is infallible and the original message isn't clear enough to understand on its own.

~Matt

AliOgg · May 11, 2005

InquisitorKind said:
The original comment comes across as stating that Protestantism has many functionally different definitions of Sola Scriptura (i.e. significantly different versions of the doctrine). Of course having nine people give nine answers means nine different versions. But versions can be either variations of the same doctrine, or completely different doctrines. Since I understood Peter's comments to be the latter, I was asking for evidence of it.

Since we understand the original statement differently, I can't argue with this.

~Matt

Thank you my friend, I took him to mean the whole church, I saw no mention of Protestantism

And God Bless All His Peoples

InquisitorKind · May 11, 2005

AliOgg said:
Thank you my friend, I took him to mean the whole church, I saw no mention of Protestantism

Sola Scriptura is a Protestant distinctive. What other parts of the church have defined it?

~Matt

AliOgg · May 11, 2005

InquisitorKind said:
Protestant distinctive.
~Matt

Thank you my friend, what is Protestant distinctive ?

And God Bless All His Peoples.

InquisitorKind · May 12, 2005

AliOgg said:
Thank you my friend, what is Protestant distinctive ?

A distinctive is loosely defined as something which is an identifying mark. For example, a cross often represents Christianity, and the doctrine of Purgatory is a Catholic doctrine, unique to that faith tradition. Those two things would both be distinctives. In light of this understanding, how you would you answer my original question?

~Matt

AliOgg · May 12, 2005

InquisitorKind said:
A distinctive is loosely defined as something which is an identifying mark. For example, a cross often represents Christianity, and the doctrine of Purgatory is a Catholic doctrine, unique to that faith tradition. Those two things would both be distinctives. In light of this understanding, how you would you answer my original question?

~Matt

Thank you my friend, that would be your original question as in post no. ?, please advise

And God Bless All His Peoples.

BBAS 64 · May 12, 2005

Good Day, AliOgg

Did you listen to the radio shows I posted?

Peace to u,

Bill

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