Peter Singer supports infanticide.

Phinehas2 · Jun 21, 2010

KatAutumn,
Where people want sex or not is irrelevant to the fact that it carries a risk of conception. The bondage is the people want to the right to choose whether they accept the consequences. Comments like people are going to have sex whether I think it or not doesnt change the responsibilities or the consequences.

kiwimac · Jun 21, 2010

The ignorance in this thread is appalling.

Phinehas2 · Jun 22, 2010

The ignorance in this thread is appalling

I agree

kiwimac · Jun 22, 2010

The Bible mentions abortion ONCE and then it is only to say it is a civil crime. There is no support Biblically for the idea that a foetus is a person.

Phinehas2 · Jun 22, 2010

The Bible mentions abortion ONCE and then it is only to say it is a civil crime. There is no support Biblically for the idea that a foetus is a person.

foetus is a human construction so the Bible won't mention foetus. What it does refer to is God knowing us in the womb.
So I wouldn't destroy something that God has created and knows and has plans for because i dont think God understands what I call a foetus. !!!

kiwimac · Jun 22, 2010

Nope, the Bible mentions knowing a SPECIFIC person in the womb, not all people. You cannot use a verse given for a specific person as a justification for a general rule.

Phinehas2 · Jun 22, 2010

kiwimac,

Nope, the Bible mentions knowing a SPECIFIC person in the womb, not all people. You cannot use a verse given for a specific person as a justification for a general rule.

Yes I can because you don’t know what you are talking about ..

Job 31:15 “Did not he who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same one form us both within our mothers? “

This is the ignorance I meant.

kiwimac · Jun 22, 2010

Oh please! Talk about quote out of context! Job is not talking about God knowing someone in the womb, he is making a case for a common humanity with his slaves! Here is the quote IN context:

(Job 31:13-15 [ESV])
“If I have rejected the cause of my manservant or my maidservant, when they brought a complaint against me, 14 what then shall I do when God rises up? When he makes inquiry, what shall I answer him? 15: Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb? "

Phinehas2 · Jun 22, 2010

kiwimac,
No need for me to talk about context, you said to one specific person and that’s obviously not the case.
There are other references as well. Don’t make false claims.

kiwimac · Jun 22, 2010

The Jeremiah verse is FOR Jeremiah, it is not for anyone else. Perhaps you might rethink your position on false claims?

Phinehas2 · Jun 22, 2010

kiwimac,
there are others I can’t be bothered to state them again. Tell us where foetus is mentioned and if it isnt drop the concept.

kiwimac · Jun 22, 2010

So, what do YOU call the foetus in the womb in YOUR world?

Phinehas2 · Jun 22, 2010

The baby, the foetus is just the baby at a particualr stage

Texan40 · Jun 22, 2010

Phinehas2 said:
The baby, the foetus is just the baby at a particualr stage

What is up with all the juggling semantics? The difference between a myself and a zygote is simply time to develop. A human being is a human being regardless of developmental stage. This of course has no bearing on individual choice but I want to be clear that I don't believe part of the "abortion argument" should be an obfuscation of biological fact.

b.hopeful · Jun 22, 2010

What defines a being is subjective. A fetus is human and alive...but depending on the definition of "being"....that's in question. That is why we have terms for human LIFE at different stages of development. And historically, we have bestowed certain rights depending on what point in development that human life was at. Infants don't have the same rights as adults...a fetus doesn't have the same rights as an infant...and for many(that take birth control pills) a zygote doesn't have the same rights as a fetus.

kiwimac · Jun 22, 2010

As the great majority of fertilised eggs are flushed from the woman's system during menstruation, it would appear that God doesn't give zygotes many rights either. As for Phineas2 and this whole question of semantics, please, stop the games & debate the point.

Skipton · Jun 25, 2010

What defines a being is subjective. A fetus is human and alive...but depending on the definition of "being"....that's in question.

Was you not reading the debate. Get a grip. The point made was it is a life and thus not to be murdered. The subjective bit is really dumb as doctors and countries differ so you have no idea what is right. You talk amongst yourselves about rights of different stages of life, but it isn’t of any relevance to those of us who see the right at conception.

Skipton · Jun 25, 2010

kiwimic,

As the great majority of fertilised eggs are flushed from the woman's system during menstruation, it would appear that God doesn't give zygotes many rights either. As for Phineas2 and this whole question of semantics, please, stop the games & debate the point.

Are yous still at junior school? The menstruation cycle is generally suspended during pregnancy. And God does give life rights at conception as He knows and has plans for them in the womb. I see this has been explained before are you an idiot or are you trolling?

Archivist · Jun 25, 2010

Skipton said:
Was you not reading the debate. Get a grip. The point made was it is a life and thus not to be murdered. The subjective bit is really dumb as doctors and countries differ so you have no idea what is right. You talk amongst yourselves about rights of different stages of life, but it isnt of any relevance to those of us who see the right at conception./QUOTE]

And if you believe that human life begins at conception, then by all means do not have an abortion.

kiwimac · Jun 25, 2010

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Unable to debate without resorting to ad hominems eh? Ah well, we're all young once.

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