Actually there have been doctors that performed abortions that have witnessed babies trying to fight back during an abortion and this caused them to become pro-life.
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Because aborting a child is unequivocally a crime. No would one hesitate to call it murder if the victim has been out of the womb for a few years. Also, a fetus utterly lacks the ability to fight back whereas children can put up more of a struggle against their attackers. They can kick, squirm, bite, and scream. That's what kids are taught to do these days if an adult tries to hurt them-- scream. We teach them to make as much noise as possible and run.
I have repeatedly pointed out to you why the argument that one thing is legal and another is illegal does not constitute an argument about the morality of that thing.
You're obviously right, it is not the mainstream...at least not yet.
Again arbitrary human definitions of what is a citizen and is not a citizen has no bearing on the actual moral status of a living human.
For a Christian what matters is God's view. It seems clear what God's view is.
No, in many countries it is not legal, so we dont all follow what you and your country think.Yes, they are. Abortion is legal.
No, your view is arrogance, there is a progression for those who do not share your worldview, to us its obvious your subjective view as opposed to another subjective view.There is no logical progression from one to the other just as there is no logical progression from opposing abortion to murdering abortion doctors. In either extreme you are dealing with a lunitic fringe, not a mainstream view.
Never suggested they were, all I pointed out was they wont all dance to your worldview so instead of insisting yours is the only one you need to start seeing others have a different one.Nor will they all dance to your worldview.
It soon can be seen as mainstream, we have seen homosexuality move from lunatic fringe to mainstream.However, once again, what is being discussed here is not the mainstream.
And to many there is no difference in that both are life.And to many there is a big difference.
You need to take on board some other views rather than assume everyone must benchmark against your worldview.You really do need to check your facts.
No, in many countries it is not legal, so we dont all follow what you and your country think.
No, your view is arrogance, there is a progression for those who do not share your worldview, to us its obvious your subjective view as opposed to another subjective view.
Never suggested they were, all I pointed out was they wont all dance to your worldview so instead of insisting yours is the only one you need to start seeing others have a different one.
It soon can be seen as mainstream, we have seen homosexuality move from lunatic fringe to mainstream.
To many there is little difference to terminating a life at infant stage than foetus/baby stage, both are life.
You need to take on board some other views rather than assume everyone must benchmark against your worldview.
which is the arrogance I was referring to, which assumes that represents everyone.There is no arrogence in what I wrote. I provided an answer based on the laws of the nation in which I live.
UK. Our laws need changing too.BTW, I notice that you haven't bothered to indicate what nation you are from.
As we discriminate against adulterers and paedophiles, yes. Are you saying we shouldn’t?BTW--and this would be a matter for a seperate thread--are you saying that we should discriminate against those who are homosexual?
So to many there is little difference to terminating a life at infant stage than foetus/baby stage, both are life. So lets get back to that debate.And many see a distinction. One is a life in being. The other is not unless it survives until birth.
the Nazis treated life they didn’t consider valuable by destroying it. That’s the similarityBTW, I noticed that you dropped your argument that "pro-choice abortion looks like the thinking of a nazi." I assume that means that you have admitted that you were wrong as the nazis were never pro-choice.
which is the arrogance I was referring to, which assumes that represents everyone.
UK. Our laws need changing too.
As we discriminate against adulterers and paedophiles, yes. Are you saying we shouldnt?
So to many there is little difference to terminating a life at infant stage than foetus/baby stage, both are life. So lets get back to that debate.
the Nazis treated life they didnt consider valuable by destroying it. Thats the similarity
Should This Be the Last Generation? - Opinionator Blog - NYTimes.com
"One of Benatars arguments trades on something like the asymmetry noted earlier. To bring into existence someone who will suffer is, Benatar argues, to harm that person, but to bring into existence someone who will have a good life is not to benefit him or her. "
"So why dont we make ourselves the last generation on earth? If we would all agree to have ourselves sterilized then no sacrifices would be required we could party our way into extinction"
This illustrates the despair that atheism brings on. It also, I think, is representative of the kind of thinking that goes into rationalizing abortion and euthanasia.
Anti-choice? There is a choice to have sexual intercourse or not, people need to face the consequences, at the moment they are too ignorant in their sexual bondage.
There is a choice to have sexual intercourse or not, people need to face the consequences, at the moment they are too ignorant in their sexual bondage.
Its amazing isnt it that this little life has the audacity to struggle for life when the mother and/or father dont want it. Smash the little foetus ;-)Actually there have been doctors that performed abortions that have witnessed babies trying to fight back during an abortion and this caused them to become pro-life.
Smash it? Oh no silly...that's dangerous to the mother...you dismember it!
Infanticide does not have the same thing going for it because a lot of things occur at the end of the fetal stage that we recognize as giving the now born human a special place in creation. I hit on that in my last post...and it was ignored. I know that it will require more than a kneejerk bumper sticker response...so I'll be patient.
Not bothered about the mother. smash the little foetus ;-)Smash it? Oh no silly...that's dangerous to the mother...you dismember it!
Anti-choice? There is a choice to have sexual intercourse or not,
people need to face the consequences,
at the moment they are too ignorant in their sexual bondage.
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