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Why did I suddenly have a vision of the Jews shouting at Christ on the cross, "Prove you are the Christ! Come down from that cross and we shall worship you."
Sure, to keeping it simple.(without reciting the entire gospel).
God wanted mankind redeemed & mankind couldn't come up with the "flesh-price". It was a bail-out.
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Ah, so you support the rubric that a dogma is true if those who think it is say it is. If so, I'm sure you accept all the teachings of the JW's as dogmatic facts.
You might be like them. You might insist on physical evidence of spiritual reality.Why did I suddenly have a vision of the Jews shouting at Christ on the cross, "Prove you are the Christ! Come down from that cross and we shall worship you."
That's what I think was involved involved in inventing the papacy & re-animating the corpse of the Levitical priesthood,
Or, modern folks can't stand the idea of something that is "not available for consumption" ?Because it is weaponized.
Sexual purity is strongly related to ritual purity and so it has power, among other reasons.
Why not?Then, if this was the sole purpose (leaving aside Kristos's question, which is important, imo) why did God create a physical creation that would require a "flesh-price" ?
That would be a reaction from a modern perspective.Or, modern folks can't stand the idea of something that is "not available for consumption" ?
Why not?
Don't you prefer to exsist?
Oh! You mean why didn't He make reality problem free?
Do you have evidence that the teaching of the ever-virginity was so repugnant pre-enlightenment (and the rise of the middle class) ?That would be a reaction from a modern perspective.
These issues are timeless. Moderns have a freedom of expression ancients lacked. I'm sure many of that time had the same consumer attitude.
Forbidden Fruit does have an attraction for some, but if one virgin isn't available for consumption, there will be another who is, so that can't be the entire answer.
Why did I suddenly have a vision of the Jews shouting at Christ on the cross, "Prove you are the Christ! Come down from that cross and we shall worship you."
You might be like them. You might insist on physical evidence of spiritual reality.
That's what I think was involved involved in inventing the papacy & re-animating the corpse of the Levitical priesthood,
"Tertullian(155-220), while holding that Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin, denied that her virginity was preserved in his birth, thus emphasizing the reality of her son's body, and the unorthodox monk Jovinian (who died in about 405), who denied that virginity as such was a higher state than marriage, and that abstinence as such was better than thankful eating, also denied the perpetual virginity of Mary and was condemned by synods at Rome and Milan.These views were shared by his contemporary Helvidius, but were not repeated in the following centuries." from Wikipediaquote=Thekla; Do you have evidence that the teaching of the ever-virginity was so repugnant pre-enlightenment (and the rise of the middle class) ?
You're being silly. First, it isn't "theory". The lack of mass media alone makes my statement true.As for "freedom of expression" theory -- there needs to be an anthropological and historical substantiation to the claim.
quote=Thekla; Do you have evidence that the teaching of the ever-virginity was so repugnant pre-enlightenment (and the rise of the middle class) ?
"Tertullian(155-220), while holding that Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin, denied that her virginity was preserved in his birth, thus emphasizing the reality of her son's body, and the unorthodox monk Jovinian (who died in about 405), who denied that virginity as such was a higher state than marriage, and that abstinence as such was better than thankful eating, also denied the perpetual virginity of Mary and was condemned by synods at Rome and Milan.These views were shared by his contemporary Helvidius, but were not repeated in the following centuries." from Wikipedia
You're being silly. First, it isn't "theory". The lack of mass media alone makes my statement true.
The fact that no one gets burned at the stake or stoned for denouncing the pope anymore is also a common-sense fact that substantiates it.
Okay, I'll re-phrase.No it isn't. He did that so He could die for us.
Tertullian was popular.quote=Thekla;The response remains vague:
1. was there a popular/populist distress over ever-virginity
I'm not sure what you mean. Tertulian, Jovinian, & Helvidius thought it was incorrect before the Enlightenment & the middle class arrived.2. and the action refers to the incorrectness of the teaching
Absolutely. You should've learned that before going to school.Media = freedom
A stereotype of what is not evidence of what?and a stereotype is not evidence
Tertullian was popular.
I'm not sure what you mean. Tertulian, Jovinian, & Helvidius thought it was incorrect before the Enlightenment & the middle class arrived.
Question asked & answered.
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