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[PERMANENTLY CLOSED] When should we change our reasoning / beliefs?

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bhsmte

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Are you then able to personally determine, if someone is a true Christian or not?
 
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Are you then able to personally determine, if someone is a true Christian or not?

If someone claims to be Christian but then does something that isn't inline with the teachings of Jesus, I then have reason to question them and determine where their heart truly is. I can then use the Bible and wisdom from the Holy Spirit to correct them.
 
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In other words, you have the ability to determine if someone is a true Christian? Is that correct?
 
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This is just preaching.
 
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The fact that you've descended into preaching suggests to me that you have nothing worthwhile left to say.
I've noticed that many believers have great difficulty accepting that a person could honestly examine Christianity and come away no longer believing. They assume that there must be something wrong with the person, rather than with the religion itself. The religion is assumed to be faultless, so the fault must lie within the person who no longer believes. This is a way of deflecting blame. You are trying to pin my deconversion on some personal flaw, rather than considering the possibility that it was the religion I left behind that was flawed.
 
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In other words, you have the ability to determine if someone is a true Christian? Is that correct?

Yes, if a reason to think someone is not a true Christian is presented to me, I would then ask that person some honest questions and get down the heart of the problem and offer them truth from the scripture or from my own experience that might help them get back inline with the truth of Jesus.
 
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We finally have the answer to the questions I posed to you earlier:
 
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Since you believe it is impossible for you to be wrong, how do you think this impacts how you view new information and knowledge that may contradict your belief?
He challenged us to convince him, knowing the entire time that he would never be convinced, no matter what we presented. In other words, his challenge was made in bad faith.
 
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So when you said that you were "open to be convinced," were you trying to deceive us?

Did anonymous person claim to be a perfect human? If not then why are you holding him to such a high standard of perfection? Are you implying that anonymous person is the most perfect person you've ever come across, that would cause you to scrutinize him so much in order to find the flaws? And when you can't find flaws you simply move on to the next imperfect person in order to find flaws?
 
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This poster stated he was opened to be convinced and then stated; he could never be wrong.

How do you go about convincing someone, who claims there is zero percent chance they are wrong?
 
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It kinda seems pointless to me to scrutinize tirelessly in order to find flaws in something that isn't perfect to begin with. We're all flawed and we're all trying to get to a point where we can honestly say we've done everything we can to reach perfect, but then we realize we still fall short. Its only when you start to scrutinize something perfect like God that you realize God is all you can rely on for perfection.
 
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You can have a problem with that or not, as you choose. I don't have a problem with it at all - it's special pleading so can be rejected out of hand. Pretty much all the rest of your argument falls at that point.

"I have a problem with the idea that drawing random chance out over periods of millions of years makes it no longer random." So would I if that is what I said - but it isn't.

"I would prefer to believe in a God who is unfathomable to our minds because of His absolute power, knowledge, love, goodness" That is a very strange mindset. You want to believe something that is unfathomable. I find that just weird. As far as the goodness goes - well, I've read the Bible.

"How does it not represent order that the radioactive decay occurs at a rate that is measurably orderly?"
- Because it's not possible to determine which atom within the radioactive substance will decay. Only that the half life decay will occur over a certain time frame. The actual decaying atom is chaotic.

"And actually, you say "no such witness exists" because it is only recorded by "one person," but there are actually 5 separate accounts of at least 12 people seeing Him after His resurrection, even if there is only one written record of the thousands of others. And we have the ongoing witness of the church that came about as a result of the word that was spread by these thousands of witnesses." No - there is the unknown author of Mark's account, copied and embellished by the unknown authors of the other Gospels. Even there, no original exists only edited copies. That's it. If that was the source material for any other belief system you'd laugh at it.

Do you know what a symbiotic relationship is? Yes I do - what's the point?

"The way cells are copied and replicated is also very orderly" Except when it goes wrong - eg cancer.

It has been shown many times that DNA mutations - upon which the entire theories of abiogenesis and evolution of all beings from single celled organisms are constructed - are completely random. And overwhelmingly negative Abiogenesis concerns how biology evolved from chemistry - DNA mutations don't come into it so that's false. Many mutations bring about negative consequences that's true - but so what? Only the positive mutations will likely survive to begat (a Biblicial word there) further offspring. Only the positive ones will last. It doesn't matter if 1,000 are negative and only one is positive, that's all it takes.

I'm still wondering how you ruled out those inter-dimensional aliens.
 
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Some fall short in more obvious ways and more often than others.
 
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This poster stated he was opened to be convinced and then stated; he could never be wrong.

How do you go about convincing someone, who claims there is zero percent chance they are wrong?

The better question is, what are you trying to convince this person of? If your trying to convince us there is no God, you're doing a really lousy job. You forget that we're claiming God is perfect, therefore, for you to convince us He's not real, you'd have to be perfect just like God, thereby making you God, thus proving God is perfect.
 
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