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abbygirlforever said:Debating, then.
abbygirlforever said:I'm a work in progress, LL, just a work in progress.
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. ~ Romans 12:17-19
McDLT said:The point of this thread is to discuss your opinions and to debate a little.
Personally, I will not fight in a war. I'm not passive nor a pacifist, but a peacemaker. A peacemaker is someone who actively seeks and promotes peace. Jesus even blessed the peacemakers. I think it may come down to you reap what you sow.
Just some more thoughts to throw into the mix.
eldermike said:This is true even for someone in uniform and in a war zone. Also, I don't recall a war of wrath or one to avenge anything, which wars did I miss?
No it doesn't.lambslove said:The word "pacifist" literally means "peacemaker."
It isn't vengence to seek to imprison those who do evil. When we arrest a rapist it isn't for revenge but to protect society. No one is out to "repay" for 9-11, we are seeking to free those oppressed by terrorist regimes and thus eliminate the violence these oppressors bring.lambslove said:Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord. I will repay.
Wouldn't you call the war in Afghanistan and Iraq wars of vengence since they were meant to "repay" the 9-11 attackers for the evil they did?
It isn't vengence to seek to imprison those who do evil. When we arrest a rapist it isn't for revenge but to protect society. No one is out to "repay" for 9-11, we are seeking to free those oppressed by terrorist regimes and thus eliminate the violence these oppressors bring.
I figured as much. Pacifists usually fail to see anything else when it comes to combat. Probably holding those huge protest signs too close to their face.lambslove said:My mistake. I didn't know war was about imprisoning people, I thought it was about killing and destroying.
What is your source for this information? Very few prisoners have been released. There have been plenty of hearings, court proceeding and tribunals and many are serving sentences right now.lambslove said:Also, what terrorists have we imprisoned? Most of the "terrorist" that were taken to Gitmo have been released. Most of those in Abu Ghraib have been released. Where are the trials taking place? So far, after three and a half years, not one Gitmo detainee has had a trial.
Right, including those who wage war. If the governments who do evil are under God's control, how can you deny that the Godly nations aren't as well? The verse you are referring to in Romans 13 labels those such as yourself who oppose the God ordained authority will incur judgement and only those who do wrong have need to fear. I think fear is the true motivation behind pacifism.lambslove said:What right did God give us, or international law for that matter, to overthrow any government that we don't like or that oppresses people. Didn't God say that all governments are under his control and working for His purposes?
Wouldn't you call the war in Afghanistan and Iraq wars of vengence since they were meant to "repay" the 9-11 attackers for the evil they did?
TwinCrier said:I figured as much. Pacifists usually fail to see anything else when it comes to combat. Probably holding those huge protest signs too close to their face.
What is your source for this information? Very few prisoners have been released. There have been plenty of hearings, court proceeding and tribunals and many are serving sentences right now.
Right, including those who wage war. If the governments who do evil are under God's control, how can you deny that the Godly nations aren't as well? The verse you are referring to in Romans 13 labels those such as yourself who oppose the God ordained authority will incur judgement and only those who do wrong have need to fear. I think fear is the true motivation behind pacifism.
Deuteronomy 20:8 And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart.
eldermike said:If we wanted to repay them we would not risk our good men trying to save the lives of those that are not on the side of the nut case flat worlders that believe we are the great satan. We could "repay" from the comfort of a command and control center.
McDLT said:Some who tries to bring peace is a combination of a peacemaker, reconciler, pacifier (not just for babies), and conciliator. Peacemaker does not equal pacifist; it's part of who we are but not the only part. Peacemakers are actively building bridges, settling disputes, and re-establishing relationships without violence.
McDLT said:What about violence and wars? How do you be a peacemaker in that environment? Would you join the military?
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