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What 'justifies' one's belief? (I assume by "justifies", you mean "how does one logically account for the fact that one's belief is genuine", or something of the sort.) The Holy Spirit placed within the heart is what produces that faith. It is not based on anything we do.What justifies your belief? That is the question people need to ask themselves. Sorry, I'm not trying to go on an anti-protestant rant. But it pains me to see people how people don't understand the fallacy of the Sola's.
We have to understand that the Pharisees created a system of religion (Contrary to Scripture) that was highly works based and had little to no grace or mercy. This is why Jesus referred to the tax collector calling out to God in seeking forgiveness over his sins. It was not that Jesus was promoting that we should just accept our sinfulness and we can do nothing about it. The tax collector was either coming to God for the first time, or he stumbled at a particular point in his life. For Jesus said to two people to “sin no more” in John 5:14, and John 8:11. I mean, why would Jesus be upset with the pharisees in calling them hypocrites if everyone is sinful and a hypocrite?
Again, you ripped the verse out of it's context and I shown how you did that. Again, but what really settles the matter is the words of Jesus. For Jesus said a good man brings forth that which is good out of the good treasure of his heart and an evil man brings forth that which is evil out of the bad treasure in his heart (See: Luke 6:45).
Salvation can not be, and is not by faith alone. Forgive me for being too blunt, but this is the problem with Protestantism. There is no basis for their fundamental beliefs. It's strange how people quote verses and church father's, then try to interpret scripture outside of the church. Where do you think scripture came from? The Church! So many versus refute the notion of Sola-Scriptura & Sola-Fide. All my life Protestantism has felt so off to me. What justifies your belief? That is the question people need to ask themselves. Sorry, I'm not trying to go on an anti-protestant rant. But it pains me to see people how people don't understand the fallacy of the Sola's.
Eastern Orthodox. I am not orthodox as of yet by the way. Though I have been studying Christian Theology for some time.Are you coming at this from the Eastern Orthodox view or the Roman Catholic view?
The way I see it, the point of Luke 18:9-14 is that the tax collector displayed humility, honesty and total reliance upon God. Whereas the Pharisee relied upon self righteousness. I don't see it as a matter of just accepting our sinfulness and we can do nothing about it. It's a matter of whether or not Jesus Christ alone is our only hope of salvation.
You said:Again, I used Jeremiah 17:9 back at you because you used it when I said that God knows my heart. Tell me how Jeremiah 17:9 is in context with God knowing my heart.
I don't have any objection to the verses. My objection is to the notion, not quite implied, that works is necessary for salvation, or that salvation is at all other than by grace by faith in Christ alone.
This notion of a convenience oriented belief in Jesus being a free ticket to Heaven is the most pervasive corruption of Salvation today. It exists as one extreme of the Salvation Doctrine continuum which has at the opposite end Extreme Calvinism TULIP.
After intense investigation and much prayer, I now hold to prevenient self willed choice of Jesus unto spiritual rebirth by God, with Corporate Election afterwards within The Kingdom.
Total Depravity with sentient awareness of sin. Unmerited Election of the Church body after rebirth. Limited Atonement theory, which carries the stench of the Pit is a falsehood. Grace is resistable. Saints persevere only by means of complete submission in faith.
Baptism,
You said:Chrismation, Confession, and Holy Communion are all NECESSARY
You said:along with faith and works.
You said:Clearly preached by Christ and his saint's. It's very simple. Your works justify your faith, as fell as your belief. All are important, none soley grant you salvation. The idea you can have faith in Christ, and live however you wish nor do any works (give alms, mysteries, sacraments, obey the commandments) etc. Is absolutely not a Christian stance and goes against the teachings of Christ, his apostles and the early church father's.
I believe Jesus Christ alone is our only hope of salvation too but we define that differently (I think). I see our hope in Jesus not only in His dying for our sins, and Him being buried, and in Him raising from the dead three days later for our salvation, but I also believe Jesus redeems us from our actual sin or iniquity within our lives, as well. For it is written: “Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.” (Titus 2:14).
For there is nothing that can tranform or changes lives more than Jesus Christ; That is why God's people preach the good news of Jesus Christ so as to be saved by Him. For Jesus has fixed up broken homes (or familes). Jesus has drawn the alcoholic away from the bottle. Jesus has helped the gambler to put down his cards and walk away from the game. Jesus has helped the drug addict from the power of the needle. Jesus has helped the harlot from being a slave to sexual sin and money. For Jesus Christ changes lives. Jesus changed my life and He continues to change lives today (Making them new creations in His image).
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17).
This is one of the reasons why I believe Jesus agreed with the truth that the keeping of the commandments is a part of eternal life, as well (Please slowly read: Matthew 19:17, and Luke 10:25-28).
I don't recall doing that, but if I did, you have my humble apologies. I strive to not to make any topic about the poster but I strive to make it about the topic at hand alone. For my goal in honoring Christ in this life is to hate the false belief, and or hate the sin, but to love the person.
“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9). So we cannot go off our feelings or thoughts.
The deceptions at hand are incredible.
Eastern Orthodox. I am not orthodox as of yet by the way. Though I have been studying Christian Theology for some time.
It doesn't matter what anyone's denomination is. What amazes me, is how it's a Orthodox vs Catholic vs Protestant. Read your Bible, read of the saint's and the early church father's and it will be made clear the Sola's are not Christian doctrines or beliefs held anytime prior to the reformation.
That isn't legalistic, you're spewing heresy.Faith in Christ is to please Christ without being legalistic.
Fr. Josiah Trenham, Fr. Spyridon Bailey, Trisagion Films, and Orthodox Teachings of the Elders are all good people and channels to watch from. A word of warning, stay away from Jay Dyer. You might have seen things said like this elsewhere, but he has a cult like following that just circle jerk and regurgitate talking points. He is quite knowledgeable, but his community is toxic.I was only wondering because I'm becoming increasingly interested in Eastern Orthodoxy. I've been enjoying listening to Bradley Jersak, Lazar Puhalo and Kallistos Ware.
Works in obedience are the test of true salvation.
I see the crux of Matthew 19:16-30 being
"25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?”
26 Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
I see this as showing that it's impossible for man to meet the needed requirements for salvation, therefore it could only be made possible through Jesus. Not Jesus plus our attempts at obedience, works and holiness, but Jesus alone. When it comes to our attempts at obedience, works and holiness being a coequal component of salvation, I see all kinds of problems erupting from that, because of how imperfect we are, even when we are doing our best to be obedient and righteous. Because our best just simply isn't good enough. As Jesus said, it's impossible for us.
You said:I was talking about myself at the time, so I was the one who made me a topic. But I see I didn't say "God knows my heart" at the time, so I'm obviously getting posts mixed up.
You said:But you did say:
And that's why I also used Jeremiah 17:9 in post #3
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