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But you didn't answer the question. Is he saved? Yes, or no? By your question you imply that he is saved, but that is not a straight “yes,” or “no” answer.
"What I say does not matter". Does the Bible say we are Born Again numerous times? Perhaps even daily? Yes or no?
Belief Alone-ism is the issue. Sola Fide. This is saying that all one has to do is believe and they are saved. I know. Calvinism believes a little differently. They believe God saves (regenerates) the believer, and belief (faith) is not something that the believer has the capacity to act upon on their own power.
To all:
Lets change the sin. What if this Christian murdered a poor old lady, and then he got hit by a bus, and died. Is he still saved?
The answer then may change for some of you, right? But both looking upon a woman in lust is condemned by Jesus with warnings of hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30), just as murder is condemned by the apostle John (1 John 3:15).
Calvinism teaches that the lost have no capacity to produce valid faith of their own ability. Thus, (and Scripture teaches this), the Spirit of God is given, taking up residence, giving new birth to those to whom God has chosen to show mercy; the Spirit of God is what generates the faith --the recipient of salvific faith does not generate it.
You said:It is my addition, though Calvinism doesn't deny it, and the tenets of Calvinism support it, that the regenerated believer's faith, that is, the faith subsequent to that regeneration and salvation, is the same faith as salvific faith --still generated by God; though we do work at it and affect it, the huge faith is no more valid than the small faith --it is God's work. Our work is not without results. But it is all the work of God, not ours apart from God. I have no ability, in and of myself, to do anything worthy. "Apart from me, you can do nothing" is not hyperbole.
So, I believe, monergism rules throughout. But if we do not work, our faith is dead; dead faith is not the living power of God in us.
If the murderer is hit by a bus before he has repented of that one sin, he has already been forgiven by God, if indeed he belongs to Christ. It is not ours to judge.
To all:
Lets change the sin. What if this Christian murdered a poor old lady, and then he got hit by a bus, and died. Is he still saved?
The answer then may change for some of you, right? But both looking upon a woman in lust is condemned by Jesus with warnings of hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30), just as murder is condemned by the apostle John (1 John 3:15).
"#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes one act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes one act of adultery to be an adulterer.
#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at a woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).
#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).
#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."
#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).
#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).
#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15)."
Uh, no. It makes total sense in Calvinism. Your problem with it is that you think Calvinism teaches obedience is automatic, and that the will is not involved. But Calvinism teaches that the will is TOTALLY INVOLVED, but that God has changed it.God gives us commands for a reason. This does not make any sense in Calvinism. God does not like sin. So why does a believer sin? Just look at the story of Jonah. In Jonah 3, we learn that Jonah told the Ninevites that they would be overthrown in 40 days. Yet, that did not happen. Why? Well it was the Ninevites and not God that changed the scenario. The Ninevites had cried out to God and forsaken their evil ways. When God seen that they had forsaken their wickedness, that is when He turned away in bringing wrath or judgment upon them. No election to salvation happened here. Then there is 2 Thessalonians 2:10, and a whole bunch of other verses that don't make sense in Calvinism.
Does the Bible say we are Born Again numerous times? Perhaps even daily? Yes or no?
So you are copying and pasting what I write? How does this help you? What is your point in doing so?
let's change the sin
#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes one act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes one act of adultery to be an adulterer.
#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at a woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).
#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).
#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."
#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).
#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).
#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15)."
Do you believe a Christian is saved if they looked upon a woman in lust and they then got hit by a bus and they died before they got a chance to confess their sins to Jesus?
Uh, no. It makes total sense in Calvinism. Your problem with it is that you think Calvinism teaches obedience is automatic, and that the will is not involved. But Calvinism teaches that the will is TOTALLY INVOLVED, but that God has changed it.
You will find it difficult to read the old Reformers (or even the recent ones) without seeing the agony of effort they went (or go) through in working out their salvation. Whole books are written by them on that subject.
We don't judge. God's Word does the judging for us. 1 John 3:15 says that if any man hates his brother he is like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. The only thing that can change a murderer in being forgiven is if they confess of their sins and forsake them. See Proverbs 28:13.
Does the Bible say we are Born Again numerous times? Perhaps even daily? Yes or no?
To all:
Lets change the sin. What if this Christian murdered a poor old lady, and then he got hit by a bus, and died. Is he still saved?
The answer then may change for some of you, right? But both looking upon a woman in lust is condemned by Jesus with warnings of hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30), just as murder is condemned by the apostle John (1 John 3:15).
Paul did not teach Belief Alone-ism for salvation:
Hebrews 6 seems to counter that notion. "It is impossible"
Then this all the more reason you need to heed the Bible in what it actually says, brother.
Most want the Bible to say what they want it to say.
Let me ask you: Do you believe king David was saved WHILE he committed his sins of adultery and murder? Do you believe a Christian is saved if they looked upon a woman in lust and they then got hit by a bus and they died before they got a chance to confess their sins to Jesus? Do you believe a Christian is saved if they backslide into a lifestyle of sin?
Again, Paul did not say this as a Christian, but he said this from his past experience as a Pharisee without Jesus in his life. How so? Well, the apostle Paul would be a hypocrite if he told us to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God in 2 Corinthians 7:1 if he was wretched sinner who was enslaved to sin. It would be like your Pastor telling you to stop sinning and yet he was sleeping around with half of the church. Paul said to follow his example as Christ is his example (1 Corinthians 11:1). Paul said we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16).
I mean, what do you even make of 1 Corinthians 5? Paul told the church body to kick out that Christian who was committing fornication in the church. If Paul was a wretched sinner, then he has no grounds to tell another to not sin. He would be in the same boat of sin with that guy who was kicked out of the church. See.... this is why what you believe is not in line with the Bible. We are saved by God's grace. No doubt about it. But you fail to understand that Titus 2:11-12 says that God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live godly and righteously in this present world. How can Paul tell Titus this if he himself is not living godly?
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