Outer Darkness, weeping and gnashing of teeth

PastorMike · Mar 7, 2015

Anyone care to cast a little light on this verse, what does it mean, is it speaking of hell or something else?

Matt. 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

now faith · Mar 7, 2015

This is a parable that at first appears to be metaphorical.

But it is not it is literally truth.

We have our Lord teaching on sowing in the kingdom of God,and the promises of those who do and do not.
Yes the outer darkness is Hell that was made for Satan and his Angels.

If a person has not the love of God in them,to do what is right with out conditions they are not in Christ.

They are hypocrites who pretend to sow into the kingdom,but will not lift a finger to serve anyone but themselves.

Matthew: 25. 29. For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. 30. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 31. When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32. And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33. And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36. Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38. When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 41. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42. For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43. I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45. Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

PastorMike · Mar 7, 2015

OK let me throw another verse into the mix...

Matt. 8:12 But the children (huios, sons) of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Do sons of the kingdom go to hell?

Messy · Mar 7, 2015

PastorMike said:
OK let me throw another verse into the mix...

Matt. 8:12 But the children (huios, sons) of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Do sons of the kingdom go to hell?

Yes, huios is not a mature son, foolish virgins weren't let in.

2 Peter 1

PastorMike · Mar 9, 2015

I am surprised there are no takers on this as this is fundamental to understanding doctrine and the teachings of Christ...

now faith · Mar 10, 2015

Matthew: 8. 10. When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. 11. And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

It is clear as to the UN belief of Israel,and the promise to the Gentile.

The children of the kingdom are the children of Israel who do not see the prophecies fulfilled at that time.

now faith · Mar 10, 2015

Hebrews: 3. 6. But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. 7. Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, 8. Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9. When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. 10. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. 11. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) 12. Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. - Bible Offline

hhodgson · Mar 11, 2015

PastorMike said:
I am surprised there are no takers on this as this is fundamental to understanding doctrine and the teachings of Christ...

And that's why I am here... to learn. Sometimes I tend to jump into the deeper meanings of word translations, etc. and tend to forget about the fundamentals that got me to where I am.

Please continue...

now faith · Mar 11, 2015

hhodgson said:
And that's why I am here... to learn. Sometimes I tend to jump into the deeper meanings of word translations, etc. and tend to forget about the fundamentals that got me to where I am.

Please continue...

Chicken

PastorMike · Mar 12, 2015

Well I was thinking about the meaning of the parable, Jesus gave 'talents' to three types of people, servants if you will... The two that caused the talents to double were given great rewards but the one who squandered his talent was cast 'into outer darkness'

If I am reading this right, all three were given gifts or abilities that they were to use for the kingdom... One didn't...

My question then is, is the gospel now based on works? If you don't use your talent you will go to hell, or is this 'outer darkness' referring to something completely different?

I believe you are saved by faith obviously, so this verse cannot be saying you will go to hell because you didn't use your gifts and talents for the kingdom...

Can it?

hhodgson · Mar 12, 2015

now faith said:
Chicken

Who's a chicken? See what you started? Quit calling me names... Name calling on CF forum is unexceptable and not allowed!... (Toad!)

If you notice I now have over 1,000 posts which makes me a forum Watchman, If... I except the position and I will consider it. (Psst!) I already did! And I don't take this position lightly... First order of business... you have to apologize to the OP for being off topic! Sorry PastorMike... I coldn't resist. He started this. (nowfaith)

Besides, he doesn't even know why the chicken crossed the road!

Why did the chicken cross the road?

Because he was stapled to the frog that was glued to the cat, that was riding the turtle who was trying to get to the shell station...

To show that he wasn't chicken...

To escape Colonel Sanders...

It heard Michael Moore's stomach growl...

GEORGE W. BUSH
We don't really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or it is against us. There is no middle ground here.

AL GORE
I invented the chicken. I invented the road. Therefore, the chicken crossing the road represented the application of these two different functions of government in a new, reinvented way designed to bring greater services to the American people.

COLIN POWELL
Now at the left of the screen, you clearly see the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road.

HANZ BLIX
We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed access to the other side of the road.

MOHAMMED ALDOURI (Iraq ambassador)
The chicken did not cross the road. This is a complete fabrication. We don't even have chickens.

SADDAM HUSSEIN
This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it.

RALPH NADER
The chicken's habitat on the original side of the road had been polluted by unchecked industrialist greed. The chicken did not reach the unspoiled habitat on the other side of the road because it was crushed by the wheels of a gas-guzzling SUV.

PAT BUCHANAN
To steal a job from a decent, hard-working American.

RUSH LIMBAUGH
I don't know why the chicken crossed the road, but I'll bet it was getting a government grant to cross the road, and I'll bet someone out there is already forming a support group to help chickens with crossing-the-road syndrome. Can you believe this? How much more of this can real Americans take? Chickens crossing the road paid for by their tax dollars, and when I say tax dollars, I'm talking about your money, money the government took from you to build roads for chickens to cross.

MARTHA STEWART
No one called to warn me which way that chicken was going. I had a standing order at the farmer's market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.

DR. SEUSS
Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, The chicken crossed the road, But why it crossed, I've not been told!

ERNEST HEMINGWAY
To die. In the rain. Alone.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross roads without having their motives called into question.

GRANDPA
In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us.

BARBARA WALTERS
Isn't that interesting? In a few moments we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart-warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting and went on to accomplish its life-long dream of crossing the road.

OHN LENNON
Imagine all the chickens crossing roads in peace.

ARISTOTLE
It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.

KARL MARX
It was an historical inevitability.

VOLTAIRE
I may not agree with what the chicken did, but I will defend to the death its right to do it.

RONALD REAGAN
What chicken?

CAPTAIN KIRK
To boldly go where no chicken has gone before.

FOX MULDER
You saw it cross the road with your own eyes! How many more chickens have to cross before you believe it?

BILL GATES
I have just released eChicken 2015, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook and Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of eChicken.

ALBERT EINSTEIN
Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move beneath the chicken?

BILL CLINTON
I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you mean by chicken? Could you define chicken, please?

COLONEL SANDERS
I missed one?

JESSICA SIMPSON
Why would he be on the road, I thought chickens lived in the ocean.

SHAKESPEARE
To cross, or not to cross? That is the question.

DARWIN
Chickens, over great periods of time, have been naturally selected
in such a way that they are now genetically disposed to cross roads. Because she saw what happened when the turkey didn't...

hhodgson · Mar 12, 2015

PastorMike said:
Well I was thinking about the meaning of the parable, Jesus gave 'talents' to three types of people, servants if you will... The two that caused the talents to double were given great rewards but the one who squandered his talent was cast 'into outer darkness'

If I am reading this right, all three were given gifts or abilities that they were to use for the kingdom... One didn't...

My question then is, is the gospel now based on works? If you don't use your talent you will go to hell, or is this 'outer darkness' referring to something completely different?

I believe you are saved by faith obviously, so this verse cannot be saying you will go to hell because you didn't use your gifts and talents for the kingdom...

I found this in Andrew Wommack's site... I hope is helps some. I also found this website here that lists all of the parables and this author's thoughts on it. I am very glad that I found this myself. Don't know if he is Wof but he is Wof friendly. He mentions some Wofers comments in the positive.

This is a familiar theme among Jesus' teachings. Those who have will be given more, and those who have not will have the little that they have taken away. This could be misunderstood as being unfair on the Lord's part. (Luke 19:25-25), that is exactly what those who were standing by said.

However, this parable makes it very clear that what was being taken away from this unprofitable servant was not his own but his lord's money that had been entrusted to him. In (Luke 19:13), the nobleman who gave his servants the money specifically said, "Occupy till I come," and the same thing is implied here. These servants were only stewards of their lord's money and as stewards, they were accountable to their lord for their use or misuse of his resources.

Likewise, we did not save ourselves. Jesus purchased redemption for us and has given salvation to the whole human race as a gift. However, only those of us who take hold of His gift and use it in our lives are truly saved.

There will be those who are like this unprofitable servant, who knew the truth of the Gospel and never denied it but never did anything with it. These will have the grace that God has given them taken away and bestowed upon those who will receive it while they themselves will be cast into outer darkness where there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

PastorMike · Mar 12, 2015

hhodgson said:
Who's a chicken? See what you started? Quit calling me names... Name calling on CF forum is unexceptable and not allowed!... (Toad!)

If you notice I now have over 1,000 posts which makes me a forum Watchman, If... I except the position and I will consider it. (Psst!) I already did! And I don't take this position lightly... First order of business... you have to apologize to the OP for being off topic! Sorry PastorMike... I coldn't resist. He started this. (nowfaith)

Besides, he doesn't even know why the chicken crossed the road!

lol...

now faith · Mar 13, 2015

Baptist chickens do not cross the road,they go to the edge once a week and sit quietly.

Pentecostal chickens roll across the road.

Word of Faith chickens are already their.

PastorMike · Mar 13, 2015

now faith said:
Word of Faith chickens are already their.

C'mon now, you know it's true...

now faith · Mar 13, 2015

PastorMike said:
C'mon now, you know it's true...

Yep God loves all of us Chickens,even the speckled sisy,like Harry

Ok Pastor that is the last one promise,will stay on topic.

now faith · Mar 13, 2015

PastorMike said:
Well I was thinking about the meaning of the parable, Jesus gave 'talents' to three types of people, servants if you will... The two that caused the talents to double were given great rewards but the one who squandered his talent was cast 'into outer darkness'

If I am reading this right, all three were given gifts or abilities that they were to use for the kingdom... One didn't...

My question then is, is the gospel now based on works? If you don't use your talent you will go to hell, or is this 'outer darkness' referring to something completely different?

I believe you are saved by faith obviously, so this verse cannot be saying you will go to hell because you didn't use your gifts and talents for the kingdom...

Can it?

Good question.

Reminds me of some verses:
Matthew: 5. 15. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. 17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

2 Corinthians: 4. 2. But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 3. But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4. In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 5. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 6. For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. -

Hebrews: 4. 6. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

James: 2. 24. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25. Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26. For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. -

now faith · Mar 13, 2015

Salvation is a gift of Grace through faith,yet faith without works is dead.
We must receive Christ and believe in our heart,be it that grace abounds toward us, without our confession of Faith we cannot receive Salvation.

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