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simply there would be death before sin , when bible teaches death is due to man's sin
Initially I tried to have a dialog with you, but your instance on copy-pasting the same responses over and over even after I'd already responded to specific points made it incredibly obnoxious and difficult.
I'm putting you on ignore now and won't be replying to you further.
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But I have to ask the question "is this thread about trying to find ways not to have dialogue with Creationists"??
Lets say God used evolution, thats very different to normal evolution, it would mean God intervened and designed.
Lets say God used evolution, thats very different to normal evolution, it would mean God intervened and designed. .
"after their kind". The Bible tells us that God created a process that allows the different kinds of plants and animals that He made to reproduce, and to maintain the unique characteristics of their own species. This tells us that Biblically, evolution (which speaks of reproduction across species lines, IOW, of a reproduction that is NOT "according to its own kind") is a false explanation of origins.
I'm sure that our TE folks have an answer for the argument ("after their kind"), but since you asked why YEC do not consider "evolution" to be the means that God used (in the Creation), this is one of the reasons that we give.
What do you mean specifically by this? How was God intervening and designing?
Hello Pitabread, here's part of it (I apologize if this has already been discussed in your thread as this is a blind post). It's not that God couldn't have used evolution, it's the fact that He told us that He didn't
Genesis 1--David
11 God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so.
I've been down this road before. It's quite a short road, because when one tries to get into the details of how God specifically did things, one quickly releases those details aren't there.
What do you mean specifically by this? How was God intervening and designing?
Either is true things can 'grow' alone to humans, or that God designed them, even with evolution, like theistic evolution or something, but i believe we have a soul so, that creates another problem.
Because most creationists have been taught the lie that evolution is inherently atheistic.
Simple fact - Genesis 1 and 2 show God taking dust and turning it into fully functioning adult human in one single evening-and-morning the same as the length of day of Ex 20:9,11 at Sinai.
Nope the point fails and like it or not, like all humans, you are an ape.hint: evolution from dust to adult human does not exist and cars do not reproduce if left to themselves over time.
the point remains
Have you read Gerald Schroeders "Age of the Universe"? YEC and OEC can both be right because the "age" of something always depends on the space-time coordinate of the observer. So when God creates something in 6 days, we have to ask "6 days from who's perspective?"
Gerald Schroeder - Articles - Age of the Universe
Gen 1 does not speak to the age of the universe - only to the age of life on Earth, the Sun and the moon.
For example, Genesis 1 doesn't describe God specifically designing all the animals. It just says that the Earth and waters brought them forth.
Adam wasn't created until the 6th day and nothing in scripture (as far as I can tell) requires the creation days to be of equal duration. From the article -
well they each consist of a single "evening and morning" and Ex 20:9,11 makes them the same as the six days at Sinai in length.
Well, I won't beat this horse anymore. But I did check your Exodus reference and I see nothing that requires they be equivalent, and I'm typically a literalist!
You don't know from where I speak.No, it would be God creating the process of evolution, not using process that already existed.
Now, if God had used evolution, then atheists would all have to worship God.
What is there about evolution that would be useful to God?.. Nothing.
Let's not forget that it's the concept of atheists who set out to use science as a means to back up their atheism. So therefore it would not even be qualified as a supernatural method of creation for God to use.
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