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One thing I don't understand about the creationist position

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Bits do not necessarily make a whole. And back to my original post, we are unique because we are made in the image of God.
 
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Bits do not necessarily make a whole. And back to my original post, we are unique because we are made in the image of God.

Which you have already stated doesn't refer to the physical form of humans. So why does it matter if that physical form is a result of evolutionary inheritance? Regardless of evolution or independent creation, we're still made of all the same stuff that other animals are.

Why would the physical process matter?
 
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These fragmented remains are an incomplete jigsaw which is why it keeps changing.

Given that we don't have 100% of fossils that ever lived, the fossil record will always be technically incomplete. That said, the fossils we do have point to a pattern of hominid evolution over time leading to modern humans. The transitional fossils are such great examples of intermediary characteristics that even creationists can't tell agree on which are human and which are not. Exactly what you'd expect from transitional fossils: Comparison of all skulls

The human genome of the homo sapiens sapiens remains unique and science keeps pointing to this fact.

Our genome is over 90% similar to other closely related primates. It's not wholly unique.

But it begs the question: if we were independently created, why isn't it unique? There is no reason we have to share so much in common with other species.

If God wanted us to be unequivocal about our purported "uniqueness", why not create us that way? Why share so many bits with other species?
 
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How unique do we have to be in order to be considered unique? At some point one must recognize that our spiritual connection with our Creator makes us unequivocally unique.
 
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How unique do we have to be in order to be considered unique? At some point one must recognize that our spiritual connection with our Creator makes us unequivocally unique.
Bu that hasn't much to do with the origin of our mere physical bodies.
 
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Bu that hasn't much to do with the origin of our mere physical bodies.
Circle back to the OP and my initial statement as to why Christians do not believe in evolution.
 
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Circle back to the OP and my initial statement as to why Christians do not believe in evolution.
You mean this one?
Evolution does not fit into to the intelligent design model. Scripture tells us we are "made in God's image " therefore any attempt to claim that an animal is made in the same image is rejected. This is what evolution teaches. Blessings.
It seems at odds with this one:

How unique do we have to be in order to be considered unique? At some point one must recognize that our spiritual connection with our Creator makes us unequivocally unique.
So is it our material bodies or our spiritual connection with our creator which makes us unique?
 
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Materially we are not unique. We share more in common with other species than we have differences.
The bible even says the same thing. We are all made from the dust of the earth. We agree.
 
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The bible even says the same thing. We are all made from the dust of the earth. We agree.

This circles back to why does it matter whether human bodies were a result of evolution? If the physical form is not unique and has so much in common with other species, it doesn't seem to matter how it was specifically made.
 
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This circles back to why does it matter whether human bodies were a result of evolution? If the physical form is not unique and has so much in common with other species, it doesn't seem to matter how it was specifically made.
Other than God breathed into Adam and no other species received this. (Note: Breath is a biblical metaphor for "spirit". We are the recipient of this distinctive.
 
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Other than God breathed into Adam and no other species received this. (Note: Breath is a biblical metaphor for "spirit". We are the recipient of this distinctive.

But why would our bodies being created via evolution preclude this?

Why couldn't God use an evolutionary process to create humans then instill them with spirit?
 
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But why would our bodies being created via evolution preclude this?

Why couldn't God use an evolutionary process to create humans then instill them with spirit?
The spirit was instilled as part of His creation process. Evolution does not allow for this process to happen because it folds in the animal as part of the process. Not only were animals created on an entirely different day, they were created in a different manner, not in God's image.
 
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The spirit was instilled as part of His creation process. Evolution does not allow for this process to happen because it folds in the animal as part of the process.
You mean animal things like flesh and blood and bone? We have those anyway.
 
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You mean animal things like flesh and blood and bone? We have those anyway.
In other words, by claiming we are part of a lineage of animals means we have no spirit and our lineage to our Creator never existed.

I think we have been at this all day! Good to engage
I am departing. Happy New Year!
 
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Evolution does not allow for this process to happen because it folds in the animal as part of the process.

What do you mean it "folds in the animal part of the process"? Are you referring to the fact that we share components with other animals? As Speedwell says, we have those anyway.

And how would evolution prevent God from instilling a spirit in a being anyway?

Not only were animals created on an entirely different day, they were created in a different manner, not in God's image.

But we've already established that God's image isn't physical, it's spiritual, is it not? Why does the physical creation matter in that regard?
 
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In other words, by claiming we are part of a lineage of animals means we have no spirit and our lineage to our Creator never existed.

That makes no sense. You're effectively saying that God can only instill a spirit into a being if that being was independently physically created?

But if we are independently physically created that *still* doesn't explain why we share many common physical components with other animals.

None of this makes any sense.
 
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Independently created in His image. Sorry you are having difficulty understanding the spiritual side of humanity.
 
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Independently created in His image. Sorry you are having difficulty understanding the spiritual side of humanity.

I understand what you mean with respect to the spiritual side just fine.

What I don't understand is your claim that if the physical human form is the product of evolution that would otherwise prevent God from instilling it with a spirit.

It just seems like you're placing an arbitrary limitation on God for no specific reason.
 
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