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Being dead to God is exactly that, you are unaware, and cannot be aware of God. You cannot even know that you need repentance let alone repent.Being dead in sins means you are separated from God and don't have a personal relationship with Him. Think about what physical/bodily death is. It's a separation of the body from the soul and spirit (2 Corinthians 5:6-8). You need to rethink your understanding of what it means to be dead in sins.
I can’t walk on eggshells around you so if this is upsetting you, we should not go any further.I don't? Don't say things like this to me.
Perhaps imagining that one can interpret scriptures properly is the problem. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Humans who think that they do don’t.You need to learn how to interpret scripture in context. He was talking about the deeper things of God there (1 Corinthians 2:10). He was talking about understanding the solid food of His word in contrast to only understanding the milk (1 Corinthians 3:1-2). The natural man cannot understanding the deeper things of God and is not able to take in solid food in a spiritual sense.
This is what I am trying to ascertain. Ffaith without works is dead, but do you believe that you can resurrect a dead faith by doing works? Or do you believe that works is a result of the renewing of the Holy Spirit.The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).
I asked you a question first. Do you know the difference between being spiritually dead in sins and spiritually sick? If not, then just say so and I will then explain it to you.I’m sure you have your own theory on that but is it biblical?
No, it does not. Where do you get that idea from? To be fruitful means to do things to serve Him that are productive and advance His kingdom. That does not include faith or repentance.That would include repenting.
Did I say otherwise? No, I did not. But, the Holy Spirit always leads us to look at context because He would never lead us to take anything out of context. You referenced 1 Corinthians 2:9-16 out of context because the context is in relation to needing the Holy Spirit for understanding of the deeper things of God and not simple things like the gospel.Perhaps imagining that one can interpret scriptures properly is the problem. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. Humans who think that they do don’t.
Show me where this is taught in scripture.Being dead to God is exactly that, you are unaware, and cannot be aware of God. You cannot even know that you need repentance let alone repent.
Of course the texts themselves say that we were dead in our sins. Not sick or just in a stupor. Secondly being dead in sins is the state of the natural man. Paul describes this condition in 1 Cor 2:14.Show me where this is taught in scripture.
From the phrase, “Without me you can do nothing.”No, it does not. Where do you get that idea from?
Yes, you actually did. Here is the quote: “You need to learn how to interpret scripture in context.” It is the Holy Sprirt that interprets notDid I say otherwise? No, I did not.
The Gospel is the deepest thing of God. It is what the entire Bible is about. There is nothing in what you said that establishes your premise?Did I say otherwise? No, I did not. But, the Holy Spirit always leads us to look at context because He would never lead us to take anything out of context. You referenced 1 Corinthians 2:9-16 out of context because the context is in relation to needing the Holy Spirit for understanding of the deeper things of God and not simple things like the gospel.
This is an opinion but not a fact. What informs this opinion?To be fruitful means to do things to serve Him that are productive and advance His kingdom. That does not include faith or repentance.
You seem to confuse your finite understanding with divine facts. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. No human conceived in sin can judge anyone including themselves. Where does the Holy Spirit say that we are the convincer of sin.No, it does not. Where do you get that idea from? To be fruitful means to do things to serve Him that are productive and advance His kingdom. That does not include faith or repentance.
I'm wondering if you even know what repentance is? What do you believe it is? It's simply a change of mind about sin, to go from believing it's okay to believing it's an offense to God and being sorry for it and not wanting to do it anymore. The fruit that Jesus talked about was related to good works that we do to serve Him. Faith and repentance are not good works/fruit.
Justification has everything to do with salvation because if a person isn’t reconciled to God they’re not saved. Christ’s atonement made it possible for us to enter heaven which is why people who were justified with God were waiting in Abraham’s Bosom after they died because they couldn’t enter heaven yet.The OT believers were justified the same we are in, in God's promise of Messiah.
It's God that justifies because of what Christ done on the cross.
I don't know what this has to do anything about salvation.
And where does this say a person can lose salvation? A person who is reconciled to God cannot lose salvation.Justification has everything to do with salvation because if a person isn’t reconciled to God they’re not saved. Christ’s atonement made it possible for us to enter heaven which is why people who were justified with God were waiting in Abraham’s Bosom after they died because they couldn’t enter heaven yet.
It may be just semantics, but you are right, we can't lose it but we can walk away from it. We do not lose our free-will because we accept Christ and are chained to His side for eternity. We actually get a free-will when we accept him.And where does this say a person can lose salvation? A person who is reconciled to God cannot lose salvation.
Nobody who has ever escaped hell through union with Christ would ever want to go back to what they were before. If they can walk away from Christ, they never knew Him in the first place.It may be just semantics, but you are right, we can't lose it but we can walk away from it. We do not lose our free-will because we accept Christ and are chained to His side for eternity. We actually get a free-will when we accept him.
2 Timothy 2:12. Was Paul not saved when he wrote it? Would he be saved if Christ was to deny him?And where does this say a person can lose salvation? A person who is reconciled to God cannot lose salvation.
Paul specifically said that even he could deny Christ. “If we deny Him, He will deny us”.Nobody who has ever escaped hell through union with Christ would ever want to go back to what they were before. If they can walk away from Christ, they never knew Him in the first place.
But, what does that mean? You don't seem to know what it means. Do you just ignore that Jesus said that sinners are sick and in need of a doctor? Why are you not willing to engage in a reasonable discussion that doesn't leave any scripture out of it? What do you think Jesus meant when he said that sinners are sick and what is the difference between that and them being dead in sins? Why are you not willing to address this?Of course the texts themselves say that we were dead in our sins. Not sick or just in a stupor.
Nope. That is not what it says. Instead, Paul indicated that the natural man cannot understand the deep things of God, which does not include the gospel. Read all of 1 Corinthians 2:9-16 for context. Paul referred to immature Christians as "babes in Christ" and said they were carnal and acted just like the natural man. So, you can't equate the state of the natural man with being dead in sins when even those babes in Christ were called carnal and they were acting just like the natural man because they were not relying on the Holy Spirit for understanding.Secondly being dead in sins is the state of the natural man. Paul describes this condition in 1 Cor 2:14.
No, he was not. He was spiritually sick and he was mistaken about Christ, but notice how he immediately called him "Lord" when he realized he was wrong. He had good intentions. He truly wanted to serve and obey God but he was mistaken and needed to be corrected. And he quickly accepted that correction because of his desire to serve the one true God.Think of Paul’s conversion. He was dead to Christ until the moment he was brought to life and knocked off his mount.
That is complete nonsense to think we have no free will until after we're saved. I've never seen a more ridiculous claim in my life.We have no free will until we are made alive.
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