Obamacare

twnsrkr · Sep 26, 2013

Just thought I'd spam the forum with this. Progressive ideas sound good on the surface, but the devil is in the details. I like my money were it is thank you.

Don't Fund Obamacare

http://youtu.be/VYaNPPbbGhU?t=17m

A New Dawn · Oct 8, 2013

Progressive ideas always sound good, it would be great to not have poor people, but, as you say, the devil is in the details. How to make people not poor is a hotly debated topic, and I don't see handouts as a good solution. More jobs need to be created, less restrictions need to be in place. We are sitting on a gold mine of job opportunities and money that can be kept in the States, and there are so may restrictions in place that we can't afford to take advantage of it anymore. Something needs to give if we want to create jobs and have people feed themselves. We just can't afford to continue down this road we are on.

Observer · Oct 8, 2013

As someone born into a country with public healthcare, I don't view public healthcare as a handout. That is something Americans are conditioned into thinking. We pay taxes, those taxes should be used to fund vital things in the community and what is more vital than health? Nothing. But then again, 'healthcare' these days is mainly just pharmaceuticals, which is an extremely corrupted industry.. but still, if I need emergency treatment, I do not see why I should be billed for it. I think healthcare is a basic right in societies where we pay so much tax. It's not like you are getting things for nothing. Handing over $250 in tax a week, plus all the random tax I pay for things I have to buy, well it should benefit me in some way.

Whether USA has private or public healthcare or both, government is still in control of all of it anyway. I think there should always be the option of public healthcare (you can have public or private in Australia) for people who cannot afford to buy private healthcare (or who don't get it as a job perk)

Thunder Peel · Oct 8, 2013

I don't understand why some think that the same incompetent people who run the local post office, DMV, and Social Security office should be in charge of our healthcare. If there's one thing you can learn from history, it's that government rarely ever makes things better. I find this very scary and poorly planned.

dogs4thewin · Oct 8, 2013

Observer said:
As someone born into a country with public healthcare, I don't view public healthcare as a handout. That is something Americans are conditioned into thinking. We pay taxes, those taxes should be used to fund vital things in the community and what is more vital than health? Nothing. But then again, 'healthcare' these days is mainly just pharmaceuticals, which is an extremely corrupted industry.. but still, if I need emergency treatment, I do not see why I should be billed for it. I think healthcare is a basic right in societies where we pay so much tax. It's not like you are getting things for nothing. Handing over $250 in tax a week, plus all the random tax I pay for things I have to buy, well it should benefit me in some way.

Whether USA has private or public healthcare or both, government is still in control of all of it anyway. I think there should always be the option of public healthcare (you can have public or private in Australia) for people who cannot afford to buy private healthcare (or who don't get it as a job perk)

I have no problem with MAJOR treatment being mandated but beyond that I see no reason for it to be mandated.

dogs4thewin · Oct 8, 2013

Thunder Peel said:
I don't understand why some think that the same incompetent people who run the local post office, DMV, and Social Security office should be in charge of our healthcare. If there's one thing you can learn from history, it's that government rarely ever makes things better. I find this very scary and poorly planned.

amen

A New Dawn · Oct 8, 2013

Observer said:
As someone born into a country with public healthcare, I don't view public healthcare as a handout. That is something Americans are conditioned into thinking. We pay taxes, those taxes should be used to fund vital things in the community and what is more vital than health? Nothing. But then again, 'healthcare' these days is mainly just pharmaceuticals, which is an extremely corrupted industry.. but still, if I need emergency treatment, I do not see why I should be billed for it. I think healthcare is a basic right in societies where we pay so much tax. It's not like you are getting things for nothing. Handing over $250 in tax a week, plus all the random tax I pay for things I have to buy, well it should benefit me in some way.

Whether USA has private or public healthcare or both, government is still in control of all of it anyway. I think there should always be the option of public healthcare (you can have public or private in Australia) for people who cannot afford to buy private healthcare (or who don't get it as a job perk)

TBH, over 85% of Americans are covered now with either their private insurance or Medicare/Medicaid. The change to Obamacare is a mandate that all must participate in that specific program, and it increases the cost of private insurance significantly. So much so that many doctors are opting out of certain insurances and many insurance are leaving some states. What they should have done is improved the programs that we have now instead of introducing the monstrosity called Obamacare that doesn't solve anything and increases our debt by a few more trillion dollars.

The problem is, this is a free country (or it was), and the way this is being shoved through is nothing short of tyranny.

dogs4thewin · Oct 8, 2013

A New Dawn said:
TBH, over 85% of Americans are covered now with either their private insurance or Medicare/Medicaid. The change to Obamacare is a mandate that all must participate in that specific program, and it increases the cost of private insurance significantly. So much so that many doctors are opting out of certain insurances and many insurance are leaving some states. What they should have done is improved the programs that we have now instead of introducing the monstrosity called Obamacare that doesn't solve anything and increases our debt by a few more trillion dollars.

The problem is, this is a free country (or it was), and the way this is being shoved through is nothing short of tyranny.

I know some doctors will not take government insurance took me a while to figure that out.

Zach91 · Nov 27, 2013

Thunder Peel said:
I don't understand why some think that the same incompetent people who run the local post office, DMV, and Social Security office should be in charge of our healthcare. If there's one thing you can learn from history, it's that government rarely ever makes things better. I find this very scary and poorly planned.

This. That government is best, which governs least.

Inkachu · Dec 4, 2013

Hubby just found out that he's losing his insurance policy at the end of the year, and the only other option is a high-deductible plan that is so expensive, it's almost not worth having insurance at all. Thanks, Obama! Now my husband, who has a ton of serious health issues, has his welfare in jeopardy. Yay, hope and change!!!

Thunder Peel · Dec 4, 2013

Our insurance costs went up $40 a month. Fun.

Inkachu · Dec 4, 2013

But we were promised that not only could we keep our plans and doctors if we wanted to, but that the average family would save $2,500 a year on premiums.

At what point can we say "LIAR" and have people acknowledge the truth of it???

Also heard today that Obama is going to be speaking to the younger crowd, and informing them of the "importance" of having insurance, even if you're young, healthy, single, and don't need it. Know why? So the gov't can get you into its clutches as early as possible! A young, healthy person with no dependents does not NEED insurance if they decide they can do without it!

Thunder Peel · Dec 4, 2013

Inkachu said:
But we were promised that not only could we keep our plans and doctors if we wanted to, but that the average family would save $2,500 a year on premiums.

At what point can we say "LIAR" and have people acknowledge the truth of it???

Also heard today that Obama is going to be speaking to the younger crowd, and informing them of the "importance" of having insurance, even if you're young, healthy, single, and don't need it. Know why? So the gov't can get you into its clutches as early as possible! A young, healthy person with no dependents does not NEED insurance if they decide they can do without it!

Exactly. It should be a choice for everyone about whether or not they want insurance. We hear numbers about all of the uninsured but many of those are people who do not need or want insurance and would rather put that money toward something else. If they really want coverage most jobs, even part time retail jobs, will usually offer at least some kind of minimal coverage if you want it.

The key to getting more people insured is by getting them back to work. When you have a job you either have coverage from your employer or you have the funds and freedom to pick your own insurance or go without it. That's the way it should work.

ImperialPhantom · Dec 7, 2013

Obamacare is a massive kludge based on Romneycare. If politicians had any balls at all, we would have pushed through socialized healthcare, like the VAST majority of first-world countries have already, but between states who are so insistent on maintaining their right to screw poor people over (AKA: all of the ones who refuse to expand medicare), and Republican politicians more concerned about scoring points with the Fox/Breitbart/Infowars crowd (and weaksauce Democrat politicians tip toeing around the Republicans), there was no chance of it happening.

The one good thing about Ocare is that nobody can be denied care for a pre-existing condition. Everyone here assumes that that would "never happen to them" but wait until your rear end is in the fire. Now you can't be dropped, or if you now need it because of health issues, you can't be denied. That alone is worth far more than the negatives.

Here's an idea: why don't you go to healthcare.gov, get a price quote and post your results? (and your general income range if you so desire)

In fact, I'll start a new thread for it

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