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iluvatar5150 said:

Oh, but we still can’t have a firearms registry, eh?

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Register of undesirables disqualified from owning them but no register of arms. That tracks.

wing2000 said:

...you are okay with the United States GOVERNMENT buidling a personal profile on you and sharing it across government agencies with no oversight?

Creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream. The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims and any disability status.

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There is no evidence to suggest that they are collecting new information. Just consolidating existing information into one system. I really dont see the issue. It is like putting everything into a share drive instead of having it divided amongst thousands of personal government computers. All the information that you are afraid of the government having, they already have.

iluvatar5150 said:

Oh, but we still can’t have a firearms registry, eh?

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Of course not. That would be crossing the line.

sanderabeer said:

You don't see the issue? You should slip over to Reddit and ask r/technology and r/privacy why this is an issue.

When the information exists on disparate systems, it's more difficult for a bad actor to utilize the information against a target. When it gets consolidated, it becomes significant easier.

The systems which contain this consolidated information will be hacked. It's not a matter of if. It will. And given the idiocy of this administration with infosec, it'll happen sooner rather than later.

And then it will be shared/sold on the dark web. And then it will not only become a national security issue but a personal security issue.

Enjoy those new lines of credit criminals are opening in your name.

There's also the issue of Trump's goons going after "enemies."

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Oh, sure, because making it easier for those deep state lefties to spill secrets about Trump and his supporters is definitely something we need. Not like leaking has ever been a problem before—especially not during the oh-so-squeaky-clean Obama and Biden years. Nope, never happened.

wing2000 said:

...you are okay with the United States GOVERNMENT buidling a personal profile on you and sharing it across government agencies with no oversight?

Creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream. The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims and any disability status.

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I wouldn't even mind that so much if I could be sure they wouldn't wind up inadvertently "sharing" it with the rest of the world.

Which they most definitely will.

Oompa Loompa said:

There is no evidence to suggest that they are collecting new information. Just consolidating existing information into one system. I really dont see the issue. It is like putting everything into a share drive instead of having it divided amongst thousands of personal government computers. All the information that you are afraid of the government having, they already have.

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Then you have never worked in any security related field. The first rule is always maintain compartmentalization of data so that if one area is breached not all of the data is exposed.

Oompa Loompa said:

There is no evidence to suggest that they are collecting new information. Just consolidating existing information into one system.

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So much for the Chinese wall. Some information, i.e. tax info, was not supposed to be shared. Some databases are supposed to be secure, need to know.

Oompa Loompa said:

I really dont see the issue. It is like putting everything into a share drive instead of having it divided amongst thousands of personal government computers.

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None of this is supposed to be on anyone's personal government computer.

Oompa Loompa said:

All the information that you are afraid of the government having, they already have.

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They have it - much of it used to be secure. The government doesn't need to know my passwords or private email addresses.

This is cool. Now they can rank all of us from best American to worst American. I wonder what percentile Im in?

wing2000 said:

...you are okay with the United States GOVERNMENT buidling a personal profile on you and sharing it across government agencies with no oversight?

Creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream. The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims and any disability status.

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It isn’t a question of being okay but where we are technology wise. Snowden blew the whistle for a reason and that was our warning. The Privacy Act gave the government a lot of leeway. And have you forgotten the kerfuffle involving Steve Jobs and the iPhone? And of course there’s the internet and social media. They’re gathering all the time. We’re going to have social credit. China isn’t the outlier. They’re the example. I posted about this in the conspiracy forum yesterday. They have an orb that will scan your retina you’ll have to use to get online. It isn‘t mandatory now but several countries have adopted it.

Everybody laughed at the preppers and called them crazy or doomsday advocates. But many will wish they’d done the same after a while. This isn’t 1990 anymore. We’re in a new society. Your street lamps and traffic lights have cameras. There are metal boxes in places that look ordinary but they’re really recording sounds. That’s why people are buying land and putting distance between themselves and the cities and suburbs. They understand the times.

History is repeating itself. Nobody believed the Nazi’s would do what they did but they watched it unfold. I heard a comment two weeks ago that hit me in my spirit. We often forget how large America is in comparison to other places. Only India and China are larger. No one can absorb us. And by the time you realize things are bad it’s going to be too late. It mirrors what my aunt said about Germany years ago. I asked her how they got out and she said the ones who left had somewhere to go.

We’re watching things occur and telling ourselves it isn’t happening and that’s a dangerous position to take. That’s how many get stuck. They don’t take action when they should. In the early days before the problem is evident. That’s when you make your move. You don’t wait for things to hit the fan because everybody’s panicking. You do it under the radar when it doesn’t look suspicious and you don’t encounter hardships with borders and immigration. They’re showing you what’s to come. Whether you believe it or not doesn’t hasten its arrival.

As for Obama, he wasn’t better. He had a different agenda. Every president does. No one thought it odd when he passed the laws for LGBT because he didn’t look threatening or a friend to that community. But he couldn’t make the cuts Trump has without an uproar. When he attacked the poor many celebrated. They didn’t realize they were next. But that’s what happens when you elect an elitist and mislabel his supremacy.

~bella

Would it make anyone else equally uneasy if they were find out that of those 200+ data points outlined, most of that stuff is already available for purchase (completely legally if you've got the $$$ and a secure datacenter) via Business Intelligence data brokers who sell that stuff all the time to companies who get it for BI/Analytics purposes? lol


Both the company I work for (as well as a lot of our clients) pay for quarterly data installs on SQL servers from a few different sources like KBM, Epsilon, and Acxiom.

So anyone working at places that buy these data installs, and have intermediate SQL skills, can already look up most of this information pretty quickly.

The data itself is actually so valuable that quarterly refreshes get delivered on drives in locked boxes by armed guards (sort of like a Brinks truck), and the armed guard actually accompanies the DBAs when they install it onto the servers, and then take the physical drives back with them afterwards for destruction of the physical drives.

And barring health data from the state of California, healthcare data isn't exempt from those installs either.


I say all of this to say...if you're paranoid about this, you should probably make peace with it pretty quickly...because hundreds of thousands of software devs and DBAs already have access to most of this stuff if they really wanted to look it up.

If you wanted to really be spooked, the digital footprint tools that exists (albeit it priced out of reach for an individual user) linked with the aforementioned data melds together to form "Big Brother"

The New York Times reports………

That in itself should give you guys pause. Don’t believe everything you read from them. Lol

Henrye said:

The New York Times reports………

That in itself should give you guys pause. Don’t believe everything you read from them. Lol

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Poisoning the well.

ThatRobGuy said:

Would it make anyone else equally uneasy if they were find out that of those 200+ data points outlined, most of that stuff is already available for purchase (completely legally if you've got the $$$ and a secure datacenter) via Business Intelligence data brokers who sell that stuff all the time to companies who get it for BI/Analytics purposes? lol


Both the company I work for (as well as a lot of our clients) pay for quarterly data installs on SQL servers from a few different sources like KBM, Epsilon, and Acxiom.

So anyone working at places that buy these data installs, and have intermediate SQL skills, can already look up most of this information pretty quickly.

The data itself is actually so valuable that quarterly refreshes get delivered on drives in locked boxes by armed guards (sort of like a Brinks truck), and the armed guard actually accompanies the DBAs when they install it onto the servers, and then take the physical drives back with them afterwards for destruction of the physical drives.

And barring health data from the state of California, healthcare data isn't exempt from those installs either.


I say all of this to say...if you're paranoid about this, you should probably make peace with it pretty quickly...because hundreds of thousands of software devs and DBAs already have access to most of this stuff if they really wanted to look it up.

If you wanted to really be spooked, the digital footprint tools that exists (albeit it priced out of reach for an individual user) linked with the aforementioned data melds together to form "Big Brother"

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We realize that. It's a question of how the database will be used.

In the meantime, his cuts to the IRS allows his dishonest billionaire buddies to cheat on their taxes with impunity. So much more important to find people who disagree with him.

Fantine said:

In the meantime, his cuts to the IRS allows his dishonest billionaire buddies to cheat on their taxes with impunity. So much more important to find people who disagree with him.

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Which one of his billionaire buddies?

Elon Musk?
George Soros?
Bill Gates?
Jeff Bezos?

Name them and provide proof of it happening.

Always in His Presence said:

Which one of his billionaire buddies?

Elon Musk?
George Soros?
Bill Gates?
Jeff Bezos?

Name them and provide proof of it happening.

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I don't need to. Cutting staff who can do audits in the IRS makes it easy for them to cheat. It also makes it easier for individuals and corporations who cheat regularly, like Trump Corporation, to get away with it. I don't have to prove that any of them are cheating, they may or may not be. But by defunding the IRS he's giving them an open invitation to.

Fantine said:

I don't need to

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You do if you want to be taken seriously.

This is not the View where anything that casts Trump in a bad light is applauded and taken for truth.

Fantine said:

In the meantime, his cuts to the IRS allows his dishonest billionaire buddies to cheat on their taxes with impunity. So much more important to find people who disagree with him.

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While at the same time, eliminating the IRS' Free File, whereby simple folk with simple returns (mainly W2 income, standard deductions) can easily file online for free.

Always in His Presence said:

You do if you want to be taken seriously.

This is not the View where anything that casts Trump in a bad light is applauded and taken for truth.

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You won't take me seriously regardless.
But you believe a champion liar without question.
I'm disinclined to adopt his juvenile, misanthropic, rambling speech patterns to compete for your belief.

Fantine said:

You won't take me seriously regardless.
But you believe a champion liar without question.
I'm disinclined to adopt his juvenile, misanthropic, rambling speech patterns to compete for your belief.

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I would if you would present proof.

Your vitriolic deference towards the man combined with the name calling does not help your position. IMHO. Most people are disinclined to even listen to the tirades.