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So you'd like to abolish all mass human organization of people's? Do you consider the family as a unit of governance as being against God inherently?Any human governing body soon fails to follow the governance of God, as self interest soon returns even if only in concern over itself and its existence. God tells us time and time again that He will provide what is needed but man likes to add our own insurance defeating the purpose
Why not? God will.So you'd like to abolish all mass human organization of people's? Do you consider the family as a unit of governance as being against God inherently?
So my original claim is correct in that you would seek for every Christian to live like a monastic? Not even a monastic but an ascetic where all bonds of community are dissolved?Why not? God will.
A true family operates on the principle of love. Families under the guise of institutions reject love for power and authourity.
No and I never said that. You don't speak for me. I said live as the original Way did, serving each other and all as a community of like minded doers of the two commandments. There is no need for man to take everything good that comes along and build an empire for themselves out of itSo my original claim is correct in that you would seek for every Christian to live like a monastic?
If properly done, then with love only. Not the excuse we are being dominant for your own good. There is a difference between teaching understanding and forced compliance. Mankind seems to favour the latter.Power is required to keep a family in order, the power of parents over their children.
Except you don't. The early Christians had community and government of said communities.No and I never said that. You don't speak for me. I said live as the original Way did, serving each other and all as a community of like minded doers of the two commandments. There is no need for man to take everything good that comes along and build an empire for themselves out of it
With love only looking like what? Just words and encouragement without discipline? Do you know what children are like?If properly done, then with love only. Not the excuse we are being dominant for your own good. There is a difference between teaching understanding and forced compliance. Mankind seems to favour the latter.
Should a Christian support or oppose conscription? Why?
No similarity to the Gentile ChristianityThe early Christians had community and government of said communities.
Sure.. I raised six and was one myselfJust words and encouragement without discipline? Do you know what children are like?
? I'm confused as to what this statement means. You've spoken against the idea of government (meaning an organized community structure) and I pointed out the early Church essentially functioned as an organized community that excercised power.No similarity to the Gentile Christianity
And you never disciplined any of your children? You never punished them or excercised power over your children?Sure.. I raised six and was one myself
Not in the way the establishment churches did/do but this is about conscription. Come to think of it those established churches liked war too. Human thinking.You never punished them or excercised power over your children?
It is but the issue goes deeper based on your original response to me in which you seemed to undercut the notion of Christians participating in war or government. You seem to advocate for something wholly beyond earthly considerations, going as far as to suggest love is all that is needed and we should never have or excercise power.Not in the way the establishment churches did/do but this is about conscription
So Christians are utterly unable to impose order on any aspect of life then and are utterly subject to whatever befalls them. I notice you also didn't answer my question directly about your children, probably because it is obvious as a father you did discipline your children when they needed it.That is exactly what God commanded.. His authourity, not ours and love all as self
Think of us as the Red Cross that serves either side.So Christians are utterly unable to impose order on any aspect of life then and are utterly subject to whatever befalls them.
Never excommunicated any and didn't even have to burn any at the stake.s a father you did discipline your children when they needed it.
This conversation clearly cannot go on as you are unable to discuss further. God bless Tim.Think of us as the Red Cross that serves either side.
Never excommunicated any and didn't even have to burn any at the stake.
I will depend on God, and not on men, for my safety.I would question this in terms of a general calling by God to be a soldier. It seems to me there have been numerous times in history in which the Church benefitted from the presence of Christian soldiers who were willing to use their martial might to combat the forces which might seek to destroy Christians. It is not obvious that Christians are not called to be soldiers or serve in a military force. Unless you mean only mean that there is nowhere in the Gospel where one is called to be a soldier in military service, which is true. Though Christ never tells the soldiers who do serve in the Roman army to abandon their position.
I am opposed to any group that is anti-God.Can you define government? Because wouldn't a government be merely an organizing mechanism of a large community? Are opposed to the organization of communities?
We've already this discussion hoping. God seems to use methods aside from direct intervention when it comes to defending his people. Historically direct divine intervention has not been primary way God has protected Christians. He seems to require some action on our part.I will depend on God, and not on men, for my safety.
We are told in scripture that Kings have authority to kill those who disobey laws. Christians who kill for justifiable reasons (let's say an invasion or assault) aren't at fault because they killed their enemy in their own self defense.I am opposed to any group that is anti-God.
He said to pray our our enemies, not kill them.
God can, and probably will continue to, use the disobedient to protect the believers.We've already this discussion hoping. God seems to use methods aside from direct intervention when it comes to defending his people. Historically direct divine intervention has not been primary way God has protected Christians. He seems to require some action on our part.
How presumptive and immoral to rely on others to do what you consider dirty work.God can, and probably will continue to, use the disobedient to protect the believers.
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