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Now that Kavanaugh's confirmed...

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I suspect Donald's people took that under consideration when they suggested Kavanaugh. If they did their homework, they believe his faith makes him appealing, but not inconvenient.
 
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Did the government work for the people when the democrats had a majority? It wasn't all that long ago when that was the case.
 
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Did the government work for the people when the democrats had a majority? It wasn't all that long ago when that was the case.

Do you think it will when the Democrats get that majority back? The GOP doesn't -- that, and not a few rambunctious protesters in the streets, is why they're so afraid.
 
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Did the government work for the people when the democrats had a majority? It wasn't all that long ago when that was the case.

I think the current, fairly radical government is a very poor representation of the country at large and I don't think there is any good check on them anymore.

I think the only good example on the other side recently would be when the democrats forced through the ACA (that people didn't want) as an overreach when they weren't properly checked.
 
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Doubtful.

The case concerns the 5th Amendment prohibition of twice being tried for the same offense, commonly known as the Double Jeopardy Clause. The case you reference pertains to the 5th Amendment prohibition of twice being tried for the same offense and the "separate sovereign" doctrine.

The "separate sovereign" rationale allows for a defendant to twice be tried/plead guilty to the same criminal offense, or twice tried/plead guilty to a criminal offense arising from the same criminal episode, once in federal court and again in state court. The Court rescinding the "separate sovereign" rationale would prohibit a person pleading to/trial of the same defendant for the same offense or a criminal offense arising from the same criminal episode.

The President's pardon power is understood to apply to only the federal government. The President pardoning TLK Valentine would only be applicable to federal crimes. The state governments would still be permitted to prosecute TLK Valentine because the pardon power is not the same as the 5th Amendment prohibition against twice being tried for the same offense. A pardon bars only federal prosecution and a pardon does not constitute as a trial or a plea, hence, a pardon is not a situation in which the person faces two prosecutions of the same offense, the latter is what the 5th Amendment addresses.

So, no, this decision would not result in the outcome of the President's pardon power being made applicable to state prosecutions.
 
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Admitting guilt is not the same as twice being prosecuted for the same offense and the 5th Amendment seeks to preclude double prosecutions. Since the pardon power, being applicable only to federal offenses, is an admission of guilt to the commission of federal offense, thereby precluding ANY federal prosecution, i.e. no federal prosecution occurs, then the states are still free to prosecute the person who was pardoned. Why? Because there was not and there is not a double prosecution in federal or state court, the former being barred by a pardon.
 
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He's a judge, first and foremost. Dedicated to the impartial application of the law.

Or is he?

Sure, but this does not mean he cannot already have a preconceived notion of how to interpret and apply the law. He may impartially apply how he believes the law is to be interpreted.
 
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That's reassuring, but I still have a couple of questions:

1. My (admittedly rudimentary) knowledge of the law here is that jeopardy attaches to a case as soon as the jury is sworn in (or the first witness, in trials without juries), or is a court accepts a plea deal to avoid the trial altogether. Burdick v. United States made it clear that a pardoned defendant can only accept a pardon willingly, and has the right to refuse because accepting a pardon constitutes an admission of guilt (although it's a bit fuzzy whether that last part is part of the decision or the dicta).

So what happens if the pardon is issued in the middle of a trial, after jeopardy is attached?
 
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Why would anyone accept/agree to a federal pardon if it basically means they have admitted guilt, already, in an upcoming state case?
 
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Ah, I'm starting to see it now.

Nevertheless, if Gamble v United States is decided the way I suspect it will be (and I'm not necessarily saying it shouldn't), I have a sick suspicion that Donald's legal team will attempt to make the argument... your knowledge of the law notwithstanding, I'm concerned that SCOTUS might not see it the same way...
 
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Sure, but this does not mean he cannot already have a preconceived notion of how to interpret and apply the law. He may impartially apply how he believes the law is to be interpreted.

Of course -- but is it possible that his preconceived notion may have been changed due to his recent experiences with Democratic Senators? Shouldn't that be something we should keep an eye on in his future decisions?
 
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Why would anyone accept/agree to a federal pardon if it basically means they have admitted guilt, already, in an upcoming state case?

Because a pardon isn’t an admission of guilt in a state case.
 
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Why would anyone accept/agree to a federal pardon if it basically means they have admitted guilt, already, in an upcoming state case?

My understanding is that when state and federal statutes have been simultaneously broken, the state usually tries its case first. More pragmatic than traditional -- with a smaller bureaucracy, the state can usually proceed faster.
 
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Because a pardon isn’t an admission of guilt in a state case.

Does that mean Burdick v US only applies to presidential pardons?
 
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