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Joshua 9:1-14 shows what happened when the Jewish leaders did not make sure with God. They looked at how things were made to look.A large part of following God means making decisions based on our best judgment of what it seems He is telling us.
Actually, no.
1 John 4:2-3 encourages us to test the false prophets against Biblical truth. The teachers necessarily play a lead role in that.
Actually yes... John is not talking about prophesy from believers in the church context - Paul is.
What could be more clear - "let the spirits of the Prophets be subject to the Prophets...
You're pointing to the 2nd chapter there (you have a typo above then, and it's thus 2:4-6), which is such a powerful indicator, echoing Christ in the gospels. Good sight. I was actually remembering another from 1rst John, 2:22 and all it entails, that He is the Messiah and the Son of God, and that He rose, is alive, and we are redeemed through Him, and He is the way, the truth, and the life.I found 1 John 1:4-6 ( I assume that's the passage you're referring to). Can you remind me where similar passages are found in the gospels?
Ummm, perhaps more reading is in order then.
1 Corinthians 14:32
Sure, by itself... if you ignore the context of the rest of the chapter.The passage does not have an imperative (there is no "let the") and it does not mean what the OP suggests.
Sure, by itself... if you ignore the context of the rest of the chapter.
You say you've never seen a version of the Bible that says that, then quote one that says exactly that. Lol. You may disagree on the meaning, but it's hard to take your interpretation serious after that.
Oh please, this has devolved into vocabulary theology.The context of the chapter (indeed of the first half of the sentence in the ESV) is that the prophets should exercise self-control and take turns. Nothing like what the OP suggested.
Is this a joke?
1. The OP used the words "let the spirits of the Prophets be subject to the Prophets."
2. I pointed out that no version of the Bible I've seen used those words.
3. I looked up all the versions on Biblegateway, plus the original Greek, and indeed, none of the English translations have the words "let the," nor does the Greek have an imperative verb.
When you look at what the words of the Bible actually say, then the meaning becomes clear. Conversely, if you have to twist the words of the Bible to make your point, you're doing it wrong.
Experienced, trusted prophetic people are best equipped to evaluate prophecy.
Oh please, Elijah & Elisha, Samuel & Eli...But the Bible doesn't say that.
I'd be happy to share from some of our materials in a area like that, but I'd be done real quick if Cessationists came in and started hijacking the discussions. Which I've seen happen before.Interesting to me how some bring up false prophets When there's the false, there has to be Godly prophets. Plus the I Cor 12 and Eph 4 scriptures.
Would love a subforum dedicated to discussing these types of subjects including the supernatural for members who have something to share so all can learn.
The prophets I know want even encourage the words tested.
Good questions.One thing on prophecy... Is the person who has the gift always aware that they are prophesying? Or is it just something they're burning to say which is, unbeknownst to them, unusually pertinent to a specific situation. Or are they merely discussing a current situation and predict the outcome unawares?
Also, would we place seemingly prophetic dreams under the gift of prophecy?
Finally, what do we know about how this structure worked in the early Church - of prophecies scrutinized by "senior" prophets before being declared reliable? Do we have written records of that happening from an early church father or theologian or historian?
Interesting to me how some only focus on false prophets When there's the false, there has to be Godly prophets.
The prophets I know want -even encourage - the words tested.
I suggest looking into Phillip's daughters. They are mentioned only once in scripture. It says they prophesied. But, many early church leaders considered them the standard/model for NT prophetic ministry.
It looks like Judas and Silas would probably be senior prophets "..., being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them." Acts 15.
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