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"Noah" is based not on the Bible, but on Gnosticism and Kabbalah

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That's the charge by Dr. Brian Mattson, here at Sympathy For The Devil — Dr. Brian Mattson.

Here's the beginning of it:


His review goes on and on, and is, I think fascinating. The director, Aronofsky, knew exactly what he was doing: creating a movie with a Gnostic and Kabbalistic world view. Even God is a Gnostic version of God.

I suggest anyone interested in this movie read the entire review. It was an eye-opener to me.
 

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Thanks. You just saved me about $30.
 
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Actually, there is gnosis, and there is Ireneaus's idea of Gnostics. His description of dark and fat Adam and Eve just goes to show his ignorance and frustration with an idea that, at the time, was competing heavily with the catholics. In Secret John, Jesus tells us that there wasn't an ark, but that Noah and those that listened to him were protected by a luminous cloud. Since we know that the world does not exist in a flat 500 square mile area (as Moses probably did), we can see that the world was probably not flooded. More than likely animals existed elsewhere.

It really doesn't matter to me. But I chose Jesus story of Noah and Adam and Eve over the OT, because I see a more loving Father, one more like the name Jesus glorified than the Jews seemed to see.
 
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The movie may infect this generation with an imagery that is even more fantastic than the biblical account. The best example of this is the 'long-haired' Jesus, presented as such by everyone who has illustrated him in any medium. Even Bill O'Reilly has a long-haired Jesus on the cover of his new book on the subject. (Shame on you Bill, you should know better. )
 
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Secret John ???


Can't wait for the movie... No need to gnostic this up. Maybe Jane Fonda could do a reprise as Barbelo.

Secret John is blasphemous drivel as is the Noah flick.
 
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Secret John ???



Can't wait for the movie... No need to gnostic this up. Maybe Jane Fonda could do a reprise as Barbelo.

Secret John is blasphemous drivel as is the Noah flick.

Yeah, yeah. First Mormons. JWs. Now Gnostics.

Is this really Archie Bunker?

 
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I'm surprised you take such an interest in it then.

Acts 20:28-30

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
 
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Blasphemy is in the eyes of the beholder.

Further on Luke says in the same verse:

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.
32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
33I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.


3 Years? Didn't take long for the "church' to establish.


There are those who expect payment for the teachings. Clearly Paul didn't.



You see only what you want to see.
 
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He write 1 Timothy 5:18. Enjoy Gnosticism.

Blasphemy. Catholic rhetoric in Pauls name.

(2) Ecclesiology. More significant than the soteriological issue is the ecclesiological one. The reason that the pastorals have been questioned on such grounds is that they seem to reflect a period in church history which is later than Paul’s lifetime. In particular, they seem to reflect the early second century (cf. Ignatius’ writings) in which a single bishop had elders and deacons. Furthermore, the strong emphasis in the pastorals on the leaders’ qualifications, regulations concerning church life, etc., seem decidedly un-Pauline. Not only this, but the function of the church leadership is especially to pass on a fixed tradition of the truth, an emphasis lacking in the earlier Pauline epistles.- Bible.org

You see what you want to see.
 
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I always thought "Sympathy For the Devil" was a Stones song. Woo-woo, woo-woo.
 
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As a 'floodnut' I had to see the movie (senior admission, $5). It was dark, loud, strange, stark, tense, and overburdened with close ups and special effects, and except for the performance of Russell Crow barely entertaining (I coulda had a Big Mac, fries, and a shake).
 
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