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Perhaps I should start a new thread called "Why pretereists and futurists can have lunch together and enjoy each other's company"
Originally posted by DaveKerwin
There is an underlying irritation that I have, and this is it:
I think it's to our shame that we allow separations among us. It is to our shame that christianity has over 33,000 different denominations. And guess what.. no denomination has it right yet. We will never have it right. It is wrong that we allow petty differences to come between us and separate us. To be honest, it makes me sick. I hate that terms like futurist and preterist even exist. How about we call ourselves christians and that is it. Let's take our common denominator and focus on that, and throw out the rest of the crap. I don't care if you call youself a baptist, a catholic, or whatever else. I call myself a believer in Christ Jesus. If I ever claim to know God or scripture enough to separate myself from any of you, then please quote me and rebuke me, because I need to embrace your difference from me and focus on our common faith. There needs to be a line drawn here. We can only take separation so far. Satan loves to split us up, and here we sit letting him do it, as a matter of fact, we help him do it. To quote a band I like...
Who's gonna draw the line?? We're gonna draw the line! Who's gonna draw the line ???? We're gonna draw the line!!
Together! In any endevor! Forever and ever!
I like this quote also:
In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, and in all things charity.
Maybe it's time that we stop this separation and love on eachother. I`m sorry if I opened a can of worms in starting this thread, sometimes I am a little too frank in the way I say things. But I will not apologize for this post you are reading. Group hug
Originally posted by DaveKerwin
Perhaps I should start a new thread called "Why pretereists and futurists can have lunch together and enjoy each other's company"
Originally posted by Auntie_Belle_Um
It's hard to find something in common with preterists, because they do not believe that the work of salvation was finished and completed at the Cross. Now watch, they will throw scriptures at this post, to "prove" that salvation was completed in 70AD.All I know is Christ suffered and died for me, he took my sins upon his body and suffered and died in my place. I accept and trust the shed blood of Jesus for my salvation--"It Is Finished". I can agree with any Christian denomination on this point at least. And if I were to witness to a lost soul, this is my witness, Christ died for us because He loves us. God forbid that I should wrap salvation around a particular eschatology.
Originally posted by humblejoe
How does the eventual death of our sun and the destruction of our solar system and Earth fit into preterism? Does preterism claim that the Earth will exist forever, or not?
Originally posted by humblejoe
Ozark, pardon me for interrupting, but I have a question.
How does the eventual death of our sun and the destruction of our solar system and Earth fit into preterism? Does preterism claim that the Earth will exist forever, or not?
Originally posted by parousia70
Aunti,
Just one (3 part) question:
If you believe it is finished, and salvation was completed on the cross, why does Jesus need to return?
If you believe He 'Finished' everything on the cross, how is it that you believe there is more left that He needs to accomplish?
If you consider Christianity "whole" without the return of Christ, whenever it is, why do you believe He needs to return at all?
Thanks
Originally posted by Autumn
Sorry Parousia70, I just can't resist.
Everything has been complete through what Christ did, just everything has yet to be recognized.
Originally posted by parousia70
The Bible, and therefore preterism, teaches that...
Originally posted by DaveKerwin
Regardless of what follows this statement, it is made with the wrong approach. You are a fool if you say that you know for sure that your biblical interpretation is 100% correct. Because you are not 100% correct, you should not say for sure that preterism is Bible. This is the attitude that causes separation. Rather, you should say, I believe its true, or I think that it is true. After all, this is interpretation, and you are not infallible. Anytime you merge an imperfect person and an opinion, the only thing that you can get is an imperfect opinion. Consider speaking as if you could be imperfect.
Originally posted by GTX
I don't believe in Preterism, I am waiting to bask in the Glory of Christs return!
Originally posted by humblejoe
Ok... I THINK that God exists.
Originally posted by parousia70
I'm a preterist! I bask in Christs glory today and evermore, just like all Christians do, it's just that it seems many would rather believe it has been postponed.
I harken back to Proverbs 13:12
Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but desire fulfilled is a tree of life.
Heal your sick heart with the fulfilled reality!
Originally posted by Didaskomenos
I agree with you, Dave, on this. It's not only arrogant and presumptive, but is extremely effective in turning off a conversation, as it did with you, since you didn't even reply to what he said afterwards. For the record, this is the most pompous statement I've seen the preterists make - however, I won't let my preterist sympathies hold me back from criticizing that unfortunate remark.
humblejoe,
You can even go so far as to say that you're convinced and know that God exists. But saying "God says, and therefore I say" is tantamount to "I say, therefore God says." It begs the question of authority. There are better ways of making a decisive statement than this.
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