Well, if life is to be enjoyed, then you believe that pleasure has some purpose. Why don't you simply call yourself a hedonist...
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The same way you motivate yourself: life is enjoyable, if you put some effort it. There may be no grand purpose to life, but that doesn't mean we can't make the most of it.
Because that isn't what I said: I said life is enjoyable, not that it should be enjoyed. We can enjoy it, but there's no grand outcome if we do.Well, if life is to be enjoyed, then you believe that pleasure has some purpose. Why don't you simply call yourself a hedonist...
I wasn´t aware that life held opinions.by the way, about 3 months ago i was of the opinion that even with God life is nihilistic...
Why?i was also very depressed about it.
In the same way other people motivate themselves to do those things that they don´t think have "ultimate meaning". 'They just do them because they prefer them over the alternatives.how does an existential nihilist motivate him/herself to do anything?
"Life is enjoyable" and "life is to be enjoyed" are two completely different statements.Well, if life is to be enjoyed, then you believe that pleasure has some purpose. Why don't you simply call yourself a hedonist...
As for morality - I think such will be ultimately based in pragmatic consensus, for the most part. We are social beings who learn to suppress out selfish desires to some degree to get along with others to the degree we want - which is usually a lot, e.g., we wish not to pee off others to the degree they will kill us, we wish to work together to obtain goods and services we could never produce as radical selfish individuals. To repeat, it is ultimately pragmatism, in some form of consensus.
Then people will be enslaved, dissidents tortured, and nihilists executed. What do you expect to happen when the majority agrees to attack a minority? Flowers and sunshine?What happens what that consensus determines that it is okay to enslave people, to torture dissidents, or perhaps to execute and existential nihilists that may be lurking about?
Moral relativism isn't moral nihilism: the relativist accepts that what he sees as moral isn't what everyone else might see as moral, and that there isn't an objective morality. But that doesn't stop him from having a moral code in the first place.As a nihilist, you have to accept that your philosophy leads to radical relativism in ethics, which really means no ethics at all.
How do you imagine that this is any different from the rest of human history?What happens what that consensus determines that it is okay to enslave people, to torture dissidents, or perhaps to execute and existential nihilists that may be lurking about?
Well, that they happened anyway means it hardly matters. But if we still want to pretend, I'm of the opinion that we have what amounts to an implicit social agreement not to rape and murder each other, and to work together sometimes.Because from the ethical realist's perspective, we have solid footing for rejecting those types of behaviors; you have no external reasons for not laying down and accepting them.
So? Like I said, the moral relativist acknowledges the subjectivity of moral codes, not the futility of following them. Moreover, even the relativist has reason to abhor things like rape, murder, and theft.Because from the ethical realist's perspective, we have solid footing for rejecting those types of behaviors; you have no external reasons for not laying down and accepting them.
I think this makes sense if one is an atheist, in fact if I ever became an atheist I think its the only logical belief. How does this apply even if there is a God as someone said before?
Why?oh excellent. i have long believed that, in absence of God, life is truly without meaning, purpose or intrinsic value.
Mature? As opposed to immature? Why?if that be the case, then i think existential nihilism is a very mature viewpoint for an atheist.
Instead of attempting to explain how life would/could still be meaningless without some sort of creator deity, it would be better if you could articulate why you believe that a creator deity would somehow add meaning to anything.I think this makes sense if one is an atheist, in fact if I ever became an atheist I think its the only logical belief. How does this apply even if there is a God as someone said before?
Could you describe, preferably with a few details or examples, how a god, or some supernatural element outside of the physical universe, can add overarching meaning to an individual's life?there's no short answer and i don't have much time but i'll give you a skeleton argument...
if there's no God, or at least some supernatural element outside of the physical universe, then you are left with a closed system, or an infinite system, or a loop. this system is the universe (i.e. all universes; everything natural). this system is governed either by determined cause and effect, or random chance, neither of which can produce truly self-conscious beings (humans. you.) your consciousness is therefore an illusion. you are nothing but a very complex machine, brought on by natural events. nature does not have a motive for what it does. it just does things according to law. the idea of 'purpose' is thus also an illusion, part of the complex machine. your brain invents purpose. what you do every day is for nothing.
now, if we're honest with our logic, the implications here are not particularly attractive to the human mind. thus we say things like "oh, i have purpose, just no overarching purpose!" that's b.s. you're only kidding yourself, and you'll figure that out soon enough if you stick with it too long. many believe that this very sort of logical honesty is what drove Nietzche insane.
so the options i have in front of me are these:
1.) there is supernatural stuff out there - we may not understand it, there may be a means of true purpose out there - human wisdom only goes so far.
2.) naturalism, choosing to ignore some logic so you don't end up insane.
3.) nihilism! *goes insane*
The same way you motivate yourself: life is enjoyable, if you put some effort it. There may be no grand purpose to life, but that doesn't mean we can't make the most of it.
Why watch a movie when you know it will end? Don't mean to sound so blaise about it all, but that's what I really think about it. A building that will eventually fall down is still useful while it exists, and you can live enjoyably even if you know it'll all end.The actions we perform on Earth have an impact on the afterlife. Why many people might consider life to be without purpose is because it is impermanent; why bother building up that which will only be destroyed?
if there's no God [...] this system is governed either by determined cause and effect, or random chance, neither of which can produce truly self-conscious beings (humans. you.)
your consciousness is therefore an illusion. you are nothing but a very complex machine, brought on by natural events.
nature does not have a motive for what it does. it just does things according to law.
the idea of 'purpose' is thus also an illusion, part of the complex machine.
your brain invents purpose.
what you do every day is for nothing.
now, if we're honest with our logic, the implications here are not particularly attractive to the human mind. thus we say things like "oh, i have purpose, just no overarching purpose!"
that's b.s. you're only kidding yourself, and you'll figure that out soon enough if you stick with it too long.
many believe that this very sort of logical honesty is what drove Nietzche insane.
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