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Has anyone read the "Druggist of Auschwitz" by Dieter Schlesak and John Hargraves (translator)

When I read this book it made me angry, cry and question God as to why He allowed such cruelty to happen to His own people by an evil man Hitler.

The book goes into detail of how the Germans forced Jewish people to kill their own kind, their own people. To the point that those who were Jewish killing their own people would either commit suicide, or just not have any feelings or seize to exist. They became numb because they did not know how to deal with it. They became robots to an evil man's hatred toward Jewish people. I could go on, however the book is heartbreaking.

Below is the link to the book.

The Druggist of Auschwitz: A Documentary Novel by Dieter Schlesak — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists

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Another book that comes to mind is "Sarah's Key" by Tatiana De Rosnay

It is a novel however it is based on documentary facts of what happened to the children in France and Paris. Many children were separated from their parents and taken to gas chambers. It is sad that France and Paris do not want to admit to this murderous crime. Another tearful book.

Sarah's Key by Tatiana de Rosnay — Reviews, Discussion, Bookclubs, Lists

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I would question if we can blame G_d for 'allowing' it. He has told us many times what he expects from us, so he has actually done his job to an amazing extent. Man is responsibe for his own 'rightness' with G_d and with his fellow man.

A good example of how perverse we have become is that insurers will, no doubt, claim that all the floods the UK has suffered are an 'Act of G_d', so they do not have to pay out. However, to claim that they must accept that G_d exists, otherwise they cannot prove that it is an Act of G_d. In the same way, events that we cause by our lifestyle or the breaking of his Law cannot be blamed on G_d, because the people doing the blaming often do not believe in him - so how can one blame a non-existent entity (in their eyes) for doing something, or allowing something, bad? How crazy is that logic, that we just accept without question? If he doesn't exist he cannot be at fault - if he does exist that which we suffer is usually caused because we have screwed up the world by the way we live and by the way we do not correctly teach or enforce his Laws.

His love for us is to give us freewill to choose him - or not. He is not an ogre to force his will upon us, even though we might want it at times. If we really do want to follow him we have his word to live - so we can just do it!
 
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You stated, "I would question if we can blame G_d for 'allowing' it. He has told us many times what he expects from us, so he has actually done his job to an amazing extent. Man is responsible for his own 'rightness' with G_d and with his fellow man."

I agree with what you are saying, however when I read this statement it seems to me you are saying that the Jews in the Holocaust brought this upon themselves, rather they were righteous or not. Many of the Jewish people were observing Torah. The only one missing was Yeshua that was in their lives. Should they still have been murdered in the way that they were?

Also I wasn't blaming God for what had happened, I was just asking why He had allowed it to happen to his own chosen people. Nor would I say that God had it in for His people, because in my thinking why would a righteous God who is of love, grace and mercy kill all those people and children. I don't believe that was His doing.

Unless you can give me a better understanding with regards to your above statement, I will .... welllll... ok.. I will wait for your answer.

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That is a bit back to front to what I was saying - G_d gave us all, including Hitler et al, the ability to choose him, or not. It was that Hitler et al, decided not to follow his Law or to accept that he even exists as the Creator of the world, which led them to do what they did to his chosen people (and others), as they did to his Son.
I do not think it was because those Jews did not necessarily believe in Yeshua - they suffered in the same way that Yeshua suffered: undeserved, unwarranted, false in application and outcome etc etc. Neither Yeshua, nor the victims of hashoah, were being punished, directly, for their belief or un-belief by G_d; the whole of mankind were tempted by hasatan to rid the earth of Jews, as a people - many did it gladly, many did it because they don't believe in G_d and some did it because it was, to them, an 'Act of G_d' because they didn't believe in Yeshua. If those who believed in G_d had stood up for them, the outcome might have been very different, but even after the war the 'Exodus' vessel was still being refused a place to off-load those who had been saved.
 
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Sadly this one is what we are soon to see world wide... massive slaughters of unprecedented, unparalleled, viciousness, and without remorse .. horse's bridle high in blood.
 
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Read Dan Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners - ordinary Germans and the Holocaust. London : Abacus imprint, 1996. English edition

Dan writes about the 'how' of the lead up to hashoah. It is an academic book but, because of that, it is an in-depth study
 
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Treblinka was not a concentration camp. It was an extermination camp like Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor, and few other places. The difference was the people sent to these places had 0 chance of survival. These places were designed only for one thing-murder.
 
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If the persecutions had been trodden on, instead of encouraged by the State long before the war, it might not have ended as it did. Hitler et al did little, if anything, to control his men and their promotion of, and blind-eye to, anti-semitic actvities down to street level persecution, beatings and murder, because it served his long term goal.
 
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"Hitler et al" did control their men(and women). That's why the murder program was so successful.
 
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Steve Peterson,

I totally agree with you 100%. If one were to look down through the centuries on how Jews were treated, killed and so forth they would find it a bit heart wrenching. Does this allow for the rest of us who has not had the same treatment? No. But some people don't even want to admit that the Jewish people are the ones most persecuted and so much anti-Semitism against them.

And what happened at the Holocaust speaks louder then anything that has happened in all of history. Were other people killed besides the Jewish people? Most definitely. Same sex people were put in camps and gassed, Christian people were in the camps for saving Jews and for hiding them. Children who were twins were used for experiments. Children with blonde hair and blue eyes were used for experiments. If the children got sick they were killed or gassed. There were many more people.

Avodat,

You stated, "Plus - evil happens when good men do nothing."

You are so right on this.


Danny,


Thank you for the correction on the Treblinka camp and for the info. I would also agree with you when you stated, ""Hitler et al" did control their men(and women). That's why the murder program was so successful."


Moriah Ruth
 
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