new chart on the crowns/no crowns

Douggg said:

I just finished making a new chart on the crowns/no crowns on the 7 heads of the beast. Hopefully, this new chart will make the understanding very clear.

Regarding the heads as kings, Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13 cover three distinct periods.

Revelation 17 at the time of John, 1st century
Revelation 12 is the final 7 years before Jesus returns
Revelation 13 is the final 42 months before Jesus returns.

The seven heads do not have crowns on them in Revelation 17, 1st century, at the time of John, because the prophecy of the seven kings is incomplete at that time. King 7 was still future of John's time.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (a short space of 42 months)

The seven heads do have crowns on them in Revelation 12, at the start of the 7 years before Jesus's return. Because King 7 will have come to power, completing the prophecy of the 7 kings.

The seven heads again do not have crowns on them in Revelation 13, with 42 months before Jesus's return. Because King 7 will have been killed, ending the prophecy of the 7 kings.

King 7 then comes back to life to become King 8, the beast (the beast king of Revelation 17:11). The beast king will be empowered by Satan, the scarlet colored beast of Revelation 17:3. Read Revelation 13:4.

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No my friend, you do not understand the Symbology, its not about the 7 Kings PER SE, but who is who in the Spirit World as per being a Beast and what he is over and who is the Anti-Christ Beast Man and who he is over. The Crowns represent whom they are designated to be over in each instance. So, we need to now THE KEYS.

1.) Crowns = a Rule over said entities by the one mentioned in each chapter

2.) Heads = Each Beast Kingdom, and all 6 were "RULERS" the last will be ONE RULER who dies in office

3.) Horns = Powers that be, kings, the 10 = Completion thus the 10 Horns = the E.U. Completely United

4.) Red Dragon = Satan

5.) Beast = the Little Horn/Anti-Christ/Man of Sin

6.) The Scarlet Colored Beast from the Bottomless Pit = Apollyon who kills the Two-witnesses upon release

The CROWNS are a designator of sorts.

Who can have crowns in the Spirit world o this earth? Only Satan the Red Dragon, Jesus told us in Luke 4 that Satan rules every kingdom on this earth. So, he has Crowns over NYC, Tampa, LA, London et al. but Rev. 4 is only about the 7 that are given power to dominate and conquer Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region (THE MANY Nations besides Israel) thus the 7 Heads !!

We can have crowns from Human Beings on this earth as thy can hold Kingdoms on this earth.

Apollyon nor any other Demon can ever be over Satan on this earth, Satan won the right to be the ruler of this world by stealing Adams Dominion which God gave him. Then we get the riddle from God about an 8th King whom the 7 were of, how can this be since he has no crowns? Because the 8th King is God letting us know he was not a king on this earth, but he was over the Bottomless Pit instead.

Now let me spell it out.

Satan is the Red Dragon of Rev. 12 that covers 2000 years BUT as you say its really only about the last 3.5 years. well, I think you say 7, its only about 1260 days as it says so in the text. In Rev. 13 we are being told about a Man Beast who never passes his kingdom on, thus he will rule for only 42 months as "The Beast over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region". Apollyon WAS and IS NOT...........YET IS. He was placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region by Satan and told to wipe out Israel, he started trying with Egypt, he has tried at every turn, he killed 60-90k via Antiochus, who the died by a disease (without hands). Then after Rome and the Diaspora, God placed him in the Bottomless Pit for the duration of the Church Age. God will allow his release at the 1st Woe, thus he will have been OVER THE SEVEN.......and he will be an 8th in that he was/is the King over the Bottomless Pit, BUT..........he has no crowns on this earth because this is Saran's Domain, not his.

Douggg said:

No, my friend, I wrote "Revelation 12 is the final 7 years before Jesus returns". Revelation 12:6 + Revelation 12:14 = 7 years

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Which I stated that you believe and it is not true. Satan gets cast to earth a the mid point of the 70th week.

BOTH are the same time frame.

Douggg said:

Read Revelation 17:10.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (continues a short space of 42 months as the beast-king)

6 of those kings are "historic" in blue on the chart. King 7 is "end times" in red on the chart. He becomes the beast-king, King 8.

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You did not even try to debate the points, I am correct on all points