(Exodus 21:20-21 ESV) When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
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Where does the Bible say that?
It is the people like YOU who destroyed this nice system.
You have no idea what Christianity teaches on the subject. None.
It's not really that hard to think up of reasons why the Nazis were evil and should be opposed.
The irony is the theistic view does not account for morality, the atheistic one is grounded in reason.
Where does the Bible say that?
It is the people like YOU who destroyed this nice system.
Correction, everything he's said is allowed according to his interpretation of the scriptures.
This kind of interpretation that I had seen is (thankfully) rare from my experience with other kinds of Christians.
I won't group him with the other Christians, as I consider that to be insulting to them.
If and because I could convince them that they hadn´t taken into consideration good and important reasons, aspects and criteria that might change their minds.I didn't ask whether you could think of reasons why the Nazis are evil. They doubtless regarded themselves as entirely moral.
So why should your idea of what is moral take precedence over their idea of what is moral,
Well, since this is the method of your questions, let´s apply it consistently:unless there is some source of absolute morality, which takes precedence over both?
I didn't ask whether you could think of reasons why the Nazis are evil. They doubtless regarded themselves as entirely moral.
So why should your idea of what is moral take precedence over their idea of what is moral, unless there is some source of absolute morality, which takes precedence over both?
With the whole atheist morality debate I heard a consistent idea from theists is that atheists do have morals, just no reason to adhere to them. But, they do admit that atheists have morals, so why is there any need for justification? Do theists think that atheists will suddenly abandon their morals randomly at some later date? I'm not saying that there is no justification, but why does it matter anyway? If a theist had no justification, would their actions change?
We know about morality because we were made in the image of God, so it's on our hearts already.
If you don't believe that, then consider this - when morality fails it's always a good thing to know that there's a God that we should respect and fear if we are going to go around perpetuating evil.
You only have to turn on your television to find out that there are some people out there who make a conscious decision to do as much evil as possible. They probably don't believe in God either and if they do they don't fear, respect, or love Him as much as they should.
Lastly, we didn't just learn our morals in a vacuum. You probably don't know this, but after 400 years of slavery under the egyptians the Jews didn't really have great morals. They had to be told not to do things like have sex with family members, or kill each other simply because they were bigger or stronger than each other. Slavery did that to some of them, because they had lived in a culture so long that they had abandoned it's morals.
If you look at ancient history, it isn't the most moralistic place. If you look at the post-Christian world, it has many of the signs that Christianity established some long-held morals in this current age. Look at Hospitals for instance, or the constitution of America.
The fact is that morals were passed onto us from our ancient forefathers. Some of us haven't learned very good morals because we come from traditions that worshiped things that went against the morals of God. Some of us do. The rest of us rely on that innate sense.
That's my take.
A few points:
1) What makes you think your god is moral?
2) Your point about the Egyptian exodus is not really valid seeing as the Egyptian exodus never actually happened... The Babylonian one did though.
3) There's nothing in the US constitution which can be tied back to Christianity specifically. In fact numerous parts of the constitution directly oppose Christian scriptures (for example, the first amendment directly opposes the first commandment).
The error in your line of thought is that you're assuming all subjective opinions are equal. They aren't, and you don't consider subjective opinions equal in your day to day life either
His interactions with humanity and the fact that He would sacrifice His own life to remove the sin from mine. The fact that He has never once gone back on one of His promises. The fact that He is Love and Love casts out all fear and darkness.
That would deny both history and the Bible, which is very clear that the Exodus did happen and details all the main players in it. You don't have to agree but I will say that your sources appear to be incorrect.
I knew there'd be someone who'd argue against this point, but it was just a basic example. There are plenty of things (in my limited knowledge) which can be tied back to Christianity specifically.
No offense, but if you deny the entire Jewish exodus I don't expect you to want to see the Christian influence in the U.S constitution. Typically people who don't want to see things, don't see them.
Lastly, the first amendment does not oppose the first commandment. At least not in my books.
You are either missing the point, or deliberately evading it. Why wasn't Hitler's subjective opinion just as good as yours? You don't answer the question by making the flat statement that it wasn't.
(Exodus 21:20-21 ESV) When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
We know about morality because we were made in the image of God, so it's on our hearts already.
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Lastly, we didn't just learn our morals in a vacuum. You probably don't know this, but after 400 years of slavery under the egyptians the Jews didn't really have great morals. They had to be told not to do things like have sex with family members, or kill each other simply because they were bigger or stronger than each other. Slavery did that to some of them, because they had lived in a culture so long that they had abandoned it's morals.
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Did you even read my response? I addressed that numerous times over. It's the part you cut out right after the quote that you cited....
His interactions with humanity and the fact that He would sacrifice His own life to remove the sin from mine.
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Thanks. I overlooked these two verses.
But you mis-interpreted the message. These two verses suggest the master CAN punish his slave. But you made it to: A master "wants to" abuse his slave. To punish without a good reason is to abuse. These two verses may apply exactly the same to parents-child relationship.
If I did not do anything wrong, why would you want to beat me? Just because you pay a price for me? If I made a serious mistake, so you beat me. What can I say beyond accept the punishment? If you hurt me in the punishment, then you SHOULD try to heal me after the punishment. If your effort of healing is not effective and I died of the injury, then according to God, it is OK.
This rule warns slaves: Do not make mistake. Do what a slave should do. It also warns the master: Do not over-do the punishment if the slave made mistakes.
I don't see anything wrong in this issue.
If you hurt me in the punishment, then you SHOULD try to heal me after the punishment. If your effort of healing is not effective and I died of the injury, then according to God, it is OK.
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