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I would like to know if HaShem and HYWH are the same thing? or is HYWH an attribute of HaShem?
Most Orthodox Jews seem to think HaSHem ("the name") and HYWH are the same entity but rather use the Word HaSHem in order not to pronounce the name HYWH.
I started getting confused when some people on this forum seemed to think that While HaSHem englobes HYWH, HYWH is not fully HaSHem...
 
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Using "The name" shows reverence for the title that the L-RD gave to Moses. He is all in all, whatever we need him to be, thus His name is precious and I myself use this from time to time to be able to say it without typing it. If I say G-d without vowels for the same respect then you can understand why I would never type the name.
 
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In the Hebrew text hwhy is often in eastern translations translated as HaShem (which means "The Name") and occasionally as Elohim, in many western translations LORD in all capital letters.

For many it is customary during prayer, or when a blessing is recited, or when a Torah verse is read to pronounce hwhy as Adonai (which means "my Lord").

It is just an issue of translation.

hwhy = HaShem

It is my preference to write L-rd and such, but don't at times to facilitate communication.
 
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Azad,

HaShem is hebrew for The (ha) Name (shem).
It is tradition to avoid pronouncing YHVH because the correct pronouncation has been lost. From what I've read, it was lost because men had stopped pronouncing it out of reverence for the diety.
So in order to avoid saying it incorrectly, it is tradition to use the phrase "The Name". In most English bibles it is translated "Lord", which in Hebrew is the word "Adonai".
FYI the Hebrew word for "EL" is translated in the English bibles as "God".

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torahlife said:
debi b,

you said >>>>>Elohim is also translated as "God".<<<<<<

El and Elohim are the same word, I saw no need to distinguish the plural from singular.

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Singular is Eloah i think.

The etymological link between El and Elohim(and the etymological roots of the words themselves) is not altogether clear, right?


Perhaps somebody could bring a little more clarity into this
 
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Please forgive me if I offended you That was not my intent. I was only stating that Elohim was also translated as "God" because many people may not know that. If you percieved me as correcting you I apologize.

As for la "El" and ~yhla "Elohim" coming from the same root, there is actually some debate on that (depending on who you talk to). There really are some fairly sophisticated arguments on both sides. However at first blush it does seem logical to make the connection.

Hla "Eloah" is generally used in poetic texts, and is understood as being formed by inference from ~yhla "Elohim".
 
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debi b,

Darn, my post was so blunt that it appeared negative, I'm so sorry

>>>>>Singular is Eloah i think.The etymological link between El and Elohim(and the etymological roots of the words themselves) is not altogether clear, right?<<<,

The Eloah, is feminine in form and that is another topic. As we read thru the Hebrew, we will run across these variations of the El. It all depends on one's sources for info as regards to how we understand these variations, so if we discussed it, one would use this resource for proof while another person would use other resources for discussion and debate. No one would agree, but we do agree that the name is used in various ways depending on the author and point he was trying to make.

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