Natural science has reached its natural boundaries

lesliedellow · Jul 21, 2017

joinfree said:
The insides to Information Loss in Black Holes.

You needn't worry yourself too much. Stephen Hawking admitted that he was wrong about that.

joinfree · Jul 21, 2017

lesliedellow said:
You needn't worry yourself too much. Stephen Hawking admitted that he was wrong about that.

The Stephen is sick, the Wikipedia knows better. The problem remains, check "Black Holes" in Wikipedia.

AV1611VET · Jul 21, 2017

Belk said:
Are you claiming there is knowledge contained within the universe that we are unable to learn?

Those who study God's creation in general, and the earth specifically, have no excuse for not believing in God.

Psalm 85:11a Truth shall spring out of the earth;

By the same token, those who study God's creation in general, and the cosmos specifically, have no excuse for not believing in God.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Subduction Zone · Jul 21, 2017

joinfree said:
The Stephen is sick, the Wikipedia knows better. The problem remains, check "Black Holes" in Wikipedia.

Wikipedia says that you are wrong, or at least that evidence indicates that you are wrong:

"The question whether information is truly lost in black holes (the black hole information paradox) has divided the theoretical physics community (see Thorne–Hawking–Preskill bet). In quantum mechanics, loss of information corresponds to the violation of vital property called unitarity, which has to do with the conservation of probability. It has been argued that loss of unitarity would also imply violation of conservation of energy.[150] Over recent years evidence has been building that indeed information and unitarity are preserved in a full quantum gravitational treatment of the problem."

Belk · Jul 21, 2017

AV1611VET said:
Those who study God's creation in general, and the earth specifically, have no excuse for not believing in God.

Psalm 85:11a Truth shall spring out of the earth;

By the same token, those who study God's creation in general, and the cosmos specifically, have no excuse for not believing in God.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

Ipsie dixit. Are you going to respond to my question about all knowledge being contained in the universe?

joinfree · Jul 21, 2017

Look my CV:
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I can prove mine identity, there is email address in mine CV. Write the letter to the address and I soon will reply to you.

lesliedellow · Jul 21, 2017

joinfree said:
The Stephen is sick, the Wikipedia knows better. The problem remains, check "Black Holes" in Wikipedia.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jul 21, 2017

joinfree said:
The Stephen is sick, the Wikipedia knows better. The problem remains, check "Black Holes" in Wikipedia.

No; black holes conform to the holographic principle.

joinfree · Jul 21, 2017

lesliedellow said:

The proposed solution of Dr.Susskind says, that falling Alice becomes the two Alices: one dies in singularity, other is written into event horizon. This violates the energy conservation law.

AV1611VET · Jul 21, 2017

joinfree said:
This violates the energy conservation law.

... which God instituted here:

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

lesliedellow · Jul 21, 2017

joinfree said:
The proposed solution of Dr.Susskind says, that falling Alice becomes the two Alices: one dies in singularity, other is written into event horizon. This violates the energy conservation law.

You don't understand Relativity. There is only one Alice, observed from two different frames of reference.

lesliedellow · Jul 21, 2017

AV1611VET said:
... which God instituted here:

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Of course you are not being serious.

AV1611VET · Jul 21, 2017

lesliedellow said:
Of course you are not being serious.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
Ecclesiastes 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

Nehemiah 9:6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

joinfree · Jul 21, 2017

lesliedellow said:
You don't understand Relativity. There is only one Alice, observed from two different frames of reference.

The General Relativity is the local theory. So, the locally there is only one Alice? If yes, then the results of Dr. Susskind are worthless: they coincide with Hawking ones.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jul 22, 2017

joinfree said:
...The fundamental Science discovers much less than the applied Science. How many new fundamental particles the LHC in CERN has discovered? It has confirmed the long known Higgs Boson and that's it.

Not really: New Charmed Baryons Discovered.

joinfree · Jul 22, 2017

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Not really: New Charmed Baryons Discovered.

They are within Standard Model, thus, not fundamental. OK?

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jul 22, 2017

joinfree said:
They are within Standard Model, thus, not fundamental. OK?

Well that's the thing about science - if you have a good ('correct') model, you'll only find within its scope what it predicts; if you find something not predicted, it's time to revise the model.

And the thing about experiments is that you won't find something that can't be found with that experiment.

So the LHC can keep making new discoveries, but if we've found all the fundamental particles within its regime (as the core theory suggests), we can't expect to find more - but that doesn't mean there aren't new fundamental discoveries to be made outside its current regime.

joinfree · Jul 22, 2017

FrumiousBandersnatch said:
Well that's the thing about science - if you have a good ('correct') model, you'll only find within its scope what it predicts; if you find something not predicted, it's time to revise the model.

And the thing about experiments is that you won't find something that can't be found with that experiment.

So the LHC can keep making new discoveries, but if we've found all the fundamental particles within its regime (as the core theory suggests), we can't expect to find more - but that doesn't mean there aren't new fundamental discoveries to be made outside its current regime.

There is always hope for something new. Faith, Hope and Love - this trinity drives the heart of Christian Civilization (there is verse in New Testament). Hereby the knowledge is linked with faith: Faith is the faithfulness to Knowledge.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Jul 22, 2017

joinfree said:
There is always hope for something new. Faith, Hope and Love - this trinity drives the heart of Christian Civilization (there is verse in New Testament). Hereby the knowledge is linked with faith: Faith is the faithfulness to Knowledge.

And we can always fall back on opaque platitudes, it would seem.

lesliedellow · Jul 22, 2017

joinfree said:
The General Relativity is the local theory. So, the locally there is only one Alice? If yes, then the results of Dr. Susskind are worthless: they coincide with Hawking ones.

I see you are aiming for a PhD in nonsense, with Justatruthseeker as your supervisor

An analysis of more than 70,000 galaxies by University of California, Berkeley, University of Zurich and Princeton University physicists demonstrates that the universe – at least up to a distance of 3.5 billion light years from Earth – plays by the rules set out 95 years ago by Albert Einstein in his General Theory of Relativity. http://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/10/general_relativity/

By way of comparison, our galaxy is "only" 100,000 light years across, and the diameter of our cluster of galaxies, of which the Milky Way is a part, is 15,000,000 light years, so 3,500,000,000 light years is not exactly local.

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