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Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

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I'm not here to argue but you're saying the same things that an unbeliever would say...If you carefully read the Word you'll maybe find out that your belief is false and it doesn't have any real Biblical foundation...I'm telling you this not because I want to offend or hurt you. I'm telling you this 'cause I too believed in Calvinistic things and by God's grace I found out these were so untrue...
Then I read one book which made me understand some things deeper.
You can find it here for example:
The Believer's Conditional Security : Eternal Security Refuted: Daniel D. Corner: 9780963907684: Amazon.com: Books

Well, this book was a real blessing and I offer you to read it (of course if you want) and to let God do His work through the Holy Spirit.

Jesus bless you!
 
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It appears the English translation of choice at the Vatican Web site is the NAB.
 
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My reading hasn't been careless, & tho you may not want to offend, merely stating so while being offensive doesn't fix your offense. Instead of telling a person their beliefs are false & unbiblical, it would behoove you to be more specific & articulate the problems in a digestibly simple way.
It isn't a lot to ask seeing as how there are basicaly only 5 points to refute. Even picking just one & addressing it more responsibly would suffice as an introduction to this book you've found impressive.
... I offer you to read it (of course if you want) and to let God do His work through the Holy Spirit.
I'm not ready to equate the two.
 
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Originally Posted by Pteriax

Could you explain please, how someone can live a holy and godly (sin-free) life?
Originally Posted by nephilimiyr

How about we let Paul tell us?
Originally Posted by LovebirdsFlying

Does this mean that someone who is saved never sins again? That seems to conflict with what John says...*snip*
Originally Posted by NorrinRadd

It appears the English translation of choice at the Vatican Web site is the NAB.
Good to know, for education purposes. Thanks.
One can also go to this great site to see 5 of the Greek texts along with a dozen Bible versions.

Greek New Testament - Parallel Greek New Testament by John Hurt

King James Version
1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

John 1:1

Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
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Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
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Byzantine Majority
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Alexandrian
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Hort and Westcott
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Well, maybe I was harsh...Anyway, I think there's a better way to explain what and why is wrong here...And there're not just only five points (though they're 5 main ones), there're lots of more things to be understood uncorrectly, if one believes in these 5 points...And the better way is to read this book carefully with an opened heart, because brother Dan explains it in detail. Step by step. Of course with historical facts and documentaries with references.
You see, I don't have such ability to explain as this brother does...

Anyway, thank you for the post, I appreciate that

I'm not ready to equate the two.
Well...I'm not equating, am I?
 
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Great post sis!


I suppose that can be used as a neuter




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While Morecoffee has been right twice this week, I haven't been doing as well. Sorry, I though you guys were simply discussing real presence and whether it's true or false.

I agree, if he's making this claim he should show some evidence for it.
I just want to point out here that the NT, specifically the epistles, doesn't teach real presence as a specific doctrine. That is, nowhere in the NT is it written that believers believed in real presence. It therefore stands to reason that the evidence that Cappodocious is requiring is actually the lack of evidence that groups of Christians were believeing in real presence.

I think we can all agree here that the doctrine of real presence in the Eucharist is a major doctrine in the RCC and Orthodox churches. Therefore the evidence of this belief is well written and recorded, true? So, if there's a group of believers from the early church that doesn't have any record of believing in the real presence then that would be the evidence for a non-belief in it, correct? So what we're looking for isn't evidence of writtings that dismiss the doctrine of real presence but simply their lack of teaching it, correct?
 
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That may or may not help.

Remember the virgin Mary?
Not to insult my wife here, but trust me, my wife could never be compared to the virgin mother, and that's what would have to happen in your scenario.


And if she ever saw me write such a thing she might try to neuter me again! :o
 
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Not to insult my wife here, but trust me, my wife could never be compared to the virgin mother, and that's what would have to happen in your scenario.



And if she ever saw me write such a thing she might try to neuter me again! :o


Your wife neutered you!



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Your wife neutered you!



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LOL, no, but she put me up to it. Even my devout Catholic mother talked me into it. I was like, but ma, aren't you supposed to believe in no birth control? Absolutely no one was on my side...
 
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i have rejected the doctrine of hell. i don't believe in hell because i kind of go for the jewish explanation. i like Judaism even though i am not jewish. i like the fact that they believe in everyone gets to go to heaven as long as they follow the noahide laws(that is for gentiles). isn't that ideal? i feel like hell is just too cruel. it makes me think that since i am going to be separated from my nonchristian friends, what's the point of my befriending them? that's so weird.
i have once rejected the trinity. i believe that jesus is God and that he is one. i think the trinity is just too complicated to explain to others.
 
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The point of befriending your friends is to show them the love and compassion of Jesus. When they see you they should also see Jesus working in you. The Kingdom of God is all about changed lives, power, and authority, and they should see that evidence in you. This is how his gospel is spread, not just in word but in evidence.

i have once rejected the trinity. i believe that jesus is God and that he is one. i think the trinity is just too complicated to explain to others.
You're not unlike alot of other christians in their feelings of awkwardness when trying to discribe the trinity to non-believers. The way I do it is by first discribeing ourselves on how we're three part beings made of body, soul, and spirit. The body being our physical shell, the soul being our mind, and the spirit being our life force. The trinity is similar; the body is Jesus Christ the Son, the soul is the Father, and the life force is the Holy Spirit. The three make up three different persons although all being one in the same. Hope this helps.
 
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Then you and/or others may be interested in this covenantle "Jewish" parable in Luke 16, the only place that shows a person suffering in "hell".

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
JESUS VS THE PHARISEES

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Yeshua told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell.
Yet a thorough, unbiased examination of this story will show that the generally accepted interpretations of this passage of Scripture are erroneous and misleading. In this article, we will go through the parable verse by verse to determine what the Messiah was truly teaching.




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For our purposes in GT Nicene creedal confession is sufficient, I think.

My hands are kind of tied there, now aren't they? But they have to honestly and genuinely believe it.

Christian charity demands that those who confess Christ be considered Christian.

No, it does not. Or are you willing to consider JWs and Mormons to be Christians? They both confess Christ. Heck, even Muslimbs do. No, confessing Christ alone does not a Christian make. Confessing a lie does not make truth.
 
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My hands are kind of tied there, now aren't they? But they have to honestly and genuinely believe it.

Why would your hands be tied since confessing the Nicene Creed has been the measure of Christian orthodoxy that the church has accepted throughout history?

Pteriax said:
No, it does not. Or are you willing to consider JWs and Mormons to be Christians? They both confess Christ. Heck, even Muslimbs do. No, confessing Christ alone does not a Christian make. Confessing a lie does not make truth.

It is interesting that you should bring this up. So how do you determine that these groups are unorthodox and that you are orthodox and confess the truth? Did you somehow fall upon the correct interpretation of Scripture, bear a little better fruit than them, or what?
 
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I could say the same of you. And I could recommend a book on the five points too, though I think you could find one on your own if you were interested. Even when I was a Methodist I always understood the Biblical doctrine of total depravity however. It is apparent in life and in scripture. As long as your soul dwells in a body of sin, you will sin, saved or not. Simple as that.
 
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