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My Take On Existentialism

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Existentialism is not philosophy -- it is basically coupling the classic conceptof cynicism (which is philosophy) with thought-provoking literature critical of how we live our lives.

I think that existentialism is not in any way properly a philosophy -- it is the act of saying, "we know nothing and I am disappointed with the emptiness of life." By that regard anyone with any intellectual integrity and a slightly depressed outlook is an existentialist.

I remember hearing about existentialismand taking an interest in this philosophy -- however, I merely feel like I discovered a new genre of literature, not a new area of profound human thought.

It is not profound or amazing, it is not some giant movement -- it is a really neat way of writing literature, and I do really appreciate existentialism for the great novels that were written, but treating it as a philosophy more than it is a literature genre is foolish.

Sure, Kierkegaard,Nietzsche, Camus, Sartre, etc. pretended to expand on these in non-fictional pieces, but I was never impressed -- it was a slightly better version of reading a MySpace blogger saying "Today I found out my girlfriend cheated onme, and I noted there is no evidence that there is a God (or Kierkegaard: God exists but we are alone to suffer). I do not feel like I have a soul-mate. <emo>I do do not even feel like a human.</emo>"

Existentialism = depressing literature bent on criticism of life and cynicism, vaguely philosophical beacause too many 18-25 year olds after reading it were inspired to write their own cynical, depressing stories and/or non-fictional essays, hereby convincing people that this was somehow a philosophy.

If you meet someone and discuss philosophy, and their favorite philosophers and thinkers were better regarded for being 19th and 20th century playwrights and/or novelists, they are actually into literature, not philosophy.

I do not pretend to be in philosophy -- I read some of the most major political, philosophical works and got the most general overviews of philosophers, read some St. Augustine on the side, etc. but when I was interested in learning about this giant phrase people toss around, I ended up reading this new genre of literature called philosophy, or reading non-fictional critical essays that sounded just a few steps above MySpace bloggers on bad days.
 

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Existentialism says much more than that, actually. One problem is that the people identified as "existentialists" are not in agreement on a lot of things... but at the very least, they provide a fundamentally different view of the nature of human existence, by repudiating the concept of "human nature," and emphasizing the self not as a static thing, but as self-created motion, as process. It's general repudiation of objective moral values upheld by divine goodness (see Nietzsche's "God is dead") is also a major contribution.

It depends on what you've read, I suppose. You see all this, and much that is even more interesting, in the main writings of Heidegger, Sartre, and especially Kierkegaard and Nietzsche.
 
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I see what you are saying but the title of a philosophy or even a school of philosophy should be linked far more than that -- there really is very little that existentialists stand by -- their desperate, angsty emotions are far more uniting than any concepts of philosophy.
 
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I'm not sure what you want from it that it's not giving you. The concepts I listed, while few, shed light on a great deal of philosophical areas of study: ethics, ontology, metaphysics, theology, etc. These are far more than just "angsty emotions," they are in many places well-reasoned philosophical positions. Read a little of Sartre's "Being and Nothingness" or Heidegger's "Being and Time" and then see if you think existentialism is all "angsty emotions."

What existentialist texts have you actually read?
 
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Gah, while I certainly agree with nadroj in advising Sartre or Heidegger for a less emotional presentation of philosophy, I by no means condemn emotions as something that necessarily ban any potentiality for philosophical progress. Kierkegaard and Nietzsche were both very emotional writers at times, but only in spots where emotions are appropriate -- their emotions never reduced their messages but made them memorable; their emotions made them superlatively interesting, and this might very well be why Nietzsche is considered by many to be the philosopher that many laypersons read just for pleasure.

And I would never call existentialism cynically based; Sartre actually spends a small section of his Existentialism as a Humanism debunking the notion that existentialism is cynical or quietistic.

And more importantly, I wouldn't consider focusing on the negativities of life to therefore lead to a negative or depressing outlook. To grasp the totality of human existence one must also tread in the dark territories; existentialism does this, and for all the existentialistic writers I have read they have provided solutions to the difficulties they have come across. For Kierkegaard it was explicitly religious in that it meant finding oneself in God by becoming a concrete self free from pointless reflection and thereby rooting out all despair, whether conscious or unconscious; for Nietzsche it was a negation of ressentiment, a transcending the oftentimes arbitrary goal posts of good and evil, and a resolution to become one's own overman; Camus wrote a 120 page essay on why suicide in a world devoid of meaning is a very bad thing to do; the list goes on.

Existentialism is a philosophy that considers man in the concrete rather than, as other philosophies have done, in the abstract, or, even worse, not at all. It is the closest secular presentation I have come to calling the salvation of the soul. And really, is religion entirely devoid of negative focus? Are we not presented just as much with sinfulness, depravity, and condemnation as with faith, purity, and salvation? We need the dark side to comprehend the whole; to deny the negative is only to invent one's own positive.
 
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just as the now fractionalized Christianity has little that they are unified on...even the main point isn't important anymore, the details leading to the point now cause major issues in the religion. just because the lack of unity on ideas isn't there, that doesn't mean it isn't of good use, or even philosophical. if that was the case, you might as well deconvert. (not meaning to be mean here )

i'm starting my research into existentialism but going to be steadfast with it just from what i've researched on already. what i find refreshing about existentialism, is in regards to what Received talked about, and how realistic it is. sure there may be some criticism or whatever, but when did criticism stop anything from being philosophical/philosophy or of good use? Christianity is practically built upon such a methodology of searching for truth. a reactionary method to rise above the "ways of the world"/"the ways of the foolish".

here's the best definition that i've found about existentialism at this site http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism#Criticisms_of_existentialism:
"Existentialism is a philosophical movement that is generally considered an outlook, or a perspective, on life that pursues the question of the meaning of life or the meaning of existence for the "existing individual". This question is seen as being of paramount importance, above all other scientific and philosophical pursuits. Existentialism also considers the psychological importance of existence and deals with concepts such as anxiety, dread, freedom, awareness of death, and consciousness of existing."
 
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I'm in agreement with Received. For the record, I also think there's nothing wrong with a little emotion in philosophy; in truth, emotion is always active somewhere in a philosopher, whether it's a polemical rant of Nietzsche's or a cold, calculated deduction of Kant's. One reason I tend to respect Nietzsche more than Kant in some areas is that he is willing to admit emotional involvement in his ideas, and we get a clearer picture of that involvement in Nietzsche's work than in most philosophers'.

In general, I find existentialist philosophers much more honest about their emotions than those that came before them, which is in itself a great philosophical achievement.
 
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There are sixteen billion definitions for existentialism; and while I would pall away from espousing my own, I think the most important emphasis it brings to the fore is that of not rejecting the rational, but noting its limits, and that man necessarily transcends these limits; that man, if you will, is always a feeler more than a thinker. And this fact alone is a sufficient explanation as to why existentialism is so literature-bound. The ideas inherent to the philosophy need phenomenological reflection; and what better medium for this than the fiction writer's psychological imagination?
 
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