My scriptures on Mary

Mike1w · Oct 6, 2008

I have some scripture regarding mary, forgive any redundancy. And Yes I am catholic. Let the disagreements, and or judgements, begin.
I don't know the specific "addresses"

" honor your father and your mother " ( 4th commandment )
" we are co-heirs with christ "
" imitate christ "
From this, I conclude that since Jesus obeyed all the commandments, He honored his father ( God the father, also his foster father Joseph ) and his Mother Mary.
If I am to initate Christ, I am to honor his mother mary. Also if I am "grafted into Christ" then I become " one with christ " Spiritually, that makes Mary my mother. Under the 4th commandment, I am then to honor mary. This does not take away from christ or my relationship because " whoever is not against me is with me "
To the best of my recollection, which is not 100% perhaps, anything in quotes is taken directly and unaltered from the bible ( versions may vary )
By the way, Mary believed Jesus is the messiah, so she lives forever in heaven. Not dead, because she believed in " the resurrection and the life " " ...will never die. "

MrPolo · Oct 7, 2008

In addition to the logic you presented, it's also important to remind everyone that revelation is not exhausted in Scripture alone. Those who argue against Marian doctrines based on Scripture alone do so on a false premise.

MamaZ · Oct 7, 2008

MrPolo said:
In addition to the logic you presented, it's also important to remind everyone that revelation is not exhausted in Scripture alone. Those who argue against Marian doctrines based on Scripture alone do so on a false premise.

well then we are suppose to believe every wind of doctrine thrown at us?

MrPolo · Oct 7, 2008

MamaZ said:
well then we are suppose to believe every wind of doctrine thrown at us?

No, just sound doctrine.

Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

Paul speaks about that a lot to Timothy and Titus.

CaliforniaJosiah · Oct 7, 2008

GOD'S Scriptures on Mary:

Matthew 1:23/Isaiah 7:14
Mark 3:31-35; 6:1-6
Luke 1:27, 31-33, 39-55; 2:1-24, 49
John 2:4; John 19:26-27
Acts 1:14

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MamaZ · Oct 8, 2008

And what do you call sound?

MamaZ · Oct 8, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
GOD'S Scriptures on Mary:

Matthew 1:23/Isaiah 7:14
Mark 3:31-35; 6:1-6
Luke 1:27, 31-33, 39-55; 2:1-24, 49
John 2:4; John 19:26-27
Acts 1:14

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MrPolo · Oct 8, 2008

MamaZ said:
And what do you call sound?

Ones that are of God.

kimbalee · Oct 8, 2008

I just don't see the point of having to worship or pray to Mary, that's what Jesus died for, so we can have direct prayer to God thru Jesus, only Jesus.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

that's just my thought.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 11, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
GOD'S Scriptures on Mary:

Matthew 1:23/Isaiah 7:14
Mark 3:31-35; 6:1-6
Luke 1:27, 31-33, 39-55; 2:1-24, 49
John 2:4; John 19:26-27
Acts 1:14

Does Gala 4:4 count? Wonder why he didn't mention virgin here

Gala 4:4 When yet came the filling of the time, sends forth out, the God, the Son of Him, becoming/genomenon <1096> out of woman becoming/genomenon <1096> under Law.

E.C. · Oct 12, 2008

No one worships Mary (with possible exception of some random cargo cult in the middle of the Pacific Ocean).

Besides, she is the Theotokos, God-Bearer, does she not deserve at the very least some small bit of recognition of sorts?

Just like the British Royal Family before the Queen Mum died. Sure, the Queen Mum herself had zero power whatsoever (with possible exception of a unit or two in the British equivalent of the National Guard), but because she was the mother of a Royal she was still deserving of respect.

Call me crazy, but being that Mary is the Mother of God, I think that puts her recognition-earning up a little more than the late Queen Mum.

MamaZ · Oct 12, 2008

LittleLambofJesus said:
Does Gala 4:4 count? Wonder why he didn't mention virgin here

Gala 4:4 When yet came the filling of the time, sends forth out, the God, the Son of Him, becoming/genomenon <1096> out of woman becoming/genomenon <1096> under Law.

Yup it counts...
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

I notice too that Paul does not say born of the blessed virgin but born of a woman...

Kristos · Oct 12, 2008

MamaZ said:
Yup it counts...
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

I notice too that Paul does not say born of the blessed virgin but born of a woman...

that would be illogical since using the word woman in no way excludes virginity - or is that what you are saying? That a woman cannot be a virgin?

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 12, 2008

Kristos said:
that would be illogical since using the word woman in no way excludes virginity - or is that what you are saying? That a woman cannot be a virgin?

woman.......trevailing......He shall shepherd............

Miykah 5:3 Therefore he shall give up them till season/time one trevailing she brings forth.
And remnant of brothers of him, they shall return on sons of Me, Yisra'el.
4 And he stands and he Shepherds/07462 ra`ah in strength of YHWH, in majesty of name of YHWH, Elohiym of him.

Reve 12:2 and having in belly, and she is crying-out, trevailing, and being tormented to be bringing forth/tekein <5088> (5629)
5 And she brought forth a Son, male, who is being about to be Shepherding/poimainein <4165> (5721) all the nations in rod/staff, iron. And is caught away the child of her toward the God, and toward the throne of Him.

CaliforniaJosiah · Oct 13, 2008

Kristos said:
that would be illogical since using the word woman in no way excludes virginity - or is that what you are saying? That a woman cannot be a virgin?

So, all women are perpetual virgins? IF so, why single out Mary? with the dogma?

I fail to see how the word "woman" gives dogmatic substantiation for Mary as a PERPETUAL VIRGIN.

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Thekla · Oct 13, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
So, all women are perpetual virgins? IF so, why single out Mary? with the dogma?

I fail to see how the word "woman" gives dogmatic substantiation for Mary as a PERPETUAL VIRGIN.

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Because Paul says that Christ was "made of a woman". Does Paul mean the divinity of Christ, who is fully God, was made by a woman ? Certainly not ! Then it was the flesh of Christ, fully human, that was "made of a woman".
Christ's flesh was Mary's flesh ! His flesh was not a sharing of an earthly father and an earthly mother. His flesh was only of a mother, Mary. Her flesh was Christ's, Christ's flesh was hers. If she gave her flesh - in any form - to another, she would be giving Christ's flesh to another. This would be an abomination.

CaliforniaJosiah · Oct 13, 2008

Thekla said:
Because Paul says that Christ was "made of a woman". Does Paul mean the divinity of Christ, who is fully God, was made by a woman ? Certainly not ! Then it was the flesh of Christ, fully human, that was "made of a woman".
Christ's flesh was Mary's flesh ! His flesh was not a sharing of an earthly father and an earthly mother. His flesh was only of a mother, Mary. Her flesh was Christ's, Christ's flesh was hers. If she gave her flesh - in any form - to another, she would be giving Christ's flesh to another. This would be an abomination.

Paul wrote, by inspiration, that Jesus was born "of a woman." He did not say that she was a perpetual virgin or that Christ had sex with her. I'm at a loss to see how Paul stating that Mary was a woman (I think the point is she was human, flesh) give dogmatic documentation that Mary was a perpetual virgin? Not only so, but I fail to see any remote connection. I was born of a woman, too - that doesn't dogmatically substantiate that my mother is a perpetual virgin, isn't that obvious?

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Thekla · Oct 13, 2008

CaliforniaJosiah said:
Paul wrote, by inspiration, that Jesus was born "of a woman." He did not say that she was a perpetual virgin or that Christ had sex with her. I'm at a loss to see how Paul stating that Mary was a woman (I think the point is she was human, flesh) give dogmatic documentation that Mary was a perpetual virgin? Not only so, but I fail to see any remote connection. I was born of a woman, too - that doesn't dogmatically substantiate that my mother is a perpetual virgin, isn't that obvious?

Stop twisting my words in such a repugnant fashion !!!!!!
How can you even say such things about Christ; how can you state such things, even as a question, about Christ ? Have you NO RESPECT for CHRIST ? To support your opinion, you would even say such things as a question ??????

Christ was MADE of a woman's; His flesh was Mary's flesh, and no other's!

She gave her flesh to Christ, her flesh was HIS through her assent. How could she give Christ's flesh, through any action, to another ?

Qoheleth · Oct 13, 2008

CJ said:
Paul wrote, by inspiration, that Jesus was born "of a woman." He did not say that she was a perpetual virgin or that Christ had sex with her.

Thekla said:
Stop twisting my words in such a repugnant fashion !!!!!!
How can you even say such things about Christ; how can you state such things, even as a question, about Christ ? Have you NO RESPECT for CHRIST ? To support your opinion, you would even say such things as a question ??????

Christ was MADE of a woman's; His flesh was Mary's flesh, and no other's!

She gave her flesh to Christ, her flesh was HIS through her assent. How could she give Christ's flesh, through any action, to another ?

Walk away, Thekla. <staff edit>

God have mercy

Q

CaliforniaJosiah · Oct 13, 2008

Thekla said:
Christ was MADE of a woman's; His flesh was Mary's flesh, and no other's!

I was MADE of my mother and father. My flesh is theirs. How does that give dogmatic substantiation that my mother and father are perpetual virgins?

How could she give Christ's flesh, through any action, to another ?

She didn't give Christ's flesh to herself or any other, she gave Her flesh to Jesus - just as my mother gave "flesh" to me, I didn't to her. And how does this dogmatically substantiate that therefore my mother is a perpetual virgin?

I was born of a woman, too - that doesn't dogmatically substantiate that my mother is a perpetual virgin, isn't that obvious?

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