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God creates another moon -- ex nihilo -- orbiting the earth.
What evidence would you present that He did this?
God creates another moon -- ex nihilo -- orbiting the earth.
What evidence would you present that He did this?
It would depend. Is the moon identical to our moon? I.e. showing evidence of impacts and ground moon dust, indicating that it has been there for quite some time, and possibly formed in a collision?God creates another moon -- ex nihilo -- orbiting the earth.
What evidence would you present that He did this?
God creates another moon -- ex nihilo -- orbiting the earth.
What evidence would you present that He did this?
You pick.When? Like today or tomorrow?
Hmmm ... and what makes you select ex nihilo over ex materia?I think the fact that there wasn't a moon immediately before, then there one being there would be self evident that a moon appeared ex nihilo...
This in no way has anything to do with my challenge.But if God doesn't show him/her/itself in the process in any way, then it's not evidence of a god -- only that a moon appeared for no apparent reason or cause.
Go right ahead and tell me what you think that fingerprint should be.To have evidence that he did it, we'd have to see him doing it, or be already familiar with some sort of physical evidence of God existing so that some sort of fingerprint would be left behind.
Go ahead and try -- give it your best educated guess.Since the scenario you give already relies on a bunch of other impossibilities in order to take place, it's really hard to say anything else.
That's your job -- to give us enough evidence as to know what really transpired.Not to mention, a moon being spontaneously created right here and now wouldn't necessarily be ex nihilo.
Help yourself -- I'm easy.If you're trying to get a response from scientifically-minded individuals, all I can say is, you'll need a lot more detail for your scenario, as scientists will generally keep digging into more specifics of the evidence until an explanation begins to develop.
I disagree.It would depend.
If you want it to be.Is the moon identical to our moon?
If you want it to be.I.e. showing evidence of impacts and ground moon dust, indicating that it has been there for quite some time, and possibly formed in a collision?
Nope -- just putting forth a very simple challenge, as prompted to do so in another thread.If so, then you are just making an argument form special pleading.
Forget fabrication -- that would render this challenge moot.Yes, if you insert an infinitely powerful God into the equation, then any evidence that we would see could be fabricated.
These have NOTHING to do with this challenge.However, that raises the following questions:
1. Why did God seek to deliberately mislead us? (i.e. 6,000 year old earth)
2. What reason do you have to posit a God?
Because you would withhold the evidence; or because you don't have any?I wouldn't present any evidence that he did this.
Thank you -- as they say in Spanish: es sobre tiempo.None.
You do realize that's a really reason to not believe god did it.Thank you -- as they say in Spanish: es sobre tiempo.
(I would hope that Einstein would disagree with you though; albeit on a technicality that has to do with the Laws of Thermodynamics and omniscience.)
I -- personally -- agree with you: none.
That's not the point of this thread.You do realize that's a really reason to not believe god did it.
There is and there isn't.the TRUTH that there is no evidence for creationism.
No special pleading involved -- there is no discernable evidence that you guys can come up with; albeit, as I said, I could be wrong.Your special pleading is going to make that lack of evidence anything more then a lack of evidence.
No -- it's you that can't answer -- not I.Your question is flawed because you do not know what properties a god created moon might have so there may very well be an answer to this question that one can discern from a real god created moon, but since you cant answer any specifics about this moon, the question goes nowhere.
You pick.
Today, tomorrow, next week, last week, whatever lets you answer it to the best of your comfort level.
Just answer it, please.
Hmmm ... and what makes you select ex nihilo over ex materia?
Sure it does. For god to create something, there has to first be a god to do it.This in no way has anything to do with my challenge.
Go right ahead and tell me what you think that fingerprint should be.
That's your job -- to give us enough evidence as to know what really transpired.
Here, I'll make one up: The moon is made of a hard plastic, has green cheese at its core, and has a sticker on it that says MADE IN JAPAN.
I'll take anything -- just please answer the challenge and don't yak it to death.
Thank you --
Because you would withhold the evidence; or because you don't have any?
I suspect the latter, but feel free to show me wrong.
That's all I need from you, an honest answer -- thank you.God creates another moon -- ex nihilo -- orbiting the earth.
What evidence would you present that He did this?
Because I wouldn't have any.
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