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We were like sheep who had gone astray. All of us. We went about our ways in a sorry state not even knowing how lost we were and with no hopeI don't understand your meaning: are you saying we are all missing a limb?
I also don't understand how a one winged plane could fly.
I'm not getting the analogy.
V2 is the "takeoff safety speed;" it's the speed an aircraft with one engine inoperative must be able to attain in order to leave the runway and be 35 feet off the ground at the end of the runway, and then maintain a 200 ft/min climb thereafter.Please clarify V2 for me?
Sir, I don't know if you're interested in this conversation at all or not - tell me straight if not, please. Do you think that we can see in nature, an intelligence of unimaginable complexity and harmony, that we can call "laws of nature", or "God" as a personified and anthropomorphic entity. No matter how we approach this phenomenon that we both do observe, and not matter in which terms we express the same idea. Do you think so? Thinking most most broadly. I know you probably reject "God" as an "old man in heaven" idea, but not in its manifestation in the utmost perfection, balance, consistency and beauty in the world we know?
If you understand what I mean.
You know, there's been sooo much fighting-fighting just for the sake of fighting, or playing all sorts of games from all sides for whatever self-puffing reasons, that sometimes I get tired and just want to sit down and find a common ground of our humanity and zeal to know more. I'm sincere.
I get it. However, can't you try and step back a mile or so, and look at the forest and not the trees?
Example: you do accept the body of laws of nature, don't you?
I like to call it God
Or you insist on only a certain way of describing it?
I'm not pulling you into any fairy tales, just hard reality we see, feel, know.
Well.... as I said in the previous post.... It is you (in general, as in "theists") that are adding things to reality, which do not manifest.I will not turn around and arrogantly declare you a believer in God, or anything. Just trying to change the tone of conversation from confrontational to unifying, if you see what I mean...
Where are we? Are we on a Christian website?
I don't understand why there is that side who can't understand that this should and will include GOD
The point remains, if you arbitrarily label natural phenomena with religious terminology that has a specific and completely different meaning to everyone else, you have a - quite unnecessary - recipe for confusion. Why do it? what's the point?... my spontaneous suggestion would be. Father - as most basic underlying intelligence, the very fact of existence of the inevitable laws of nature (not an idea usually explicitely presented by science, but nevertheless a de-facto acsiom). Son - all matter. Spirit - the forces of interaction. So, "God" is not so correlating to particular divisions of our knowledge of the observable world (Theory of Relativity / Thermodynamics / Quantum Physics) - which all fundamentally have the same object of study.
Where the "scientists" don't want to hear about GOD.More specifically, we are in the open "science" section of a christian forum.
Because in science, we only include things that have measureable manifestation.
Where the "scientists" don't want to hear about GOD.
Why are you here in a Christian website then. Did you expect to only hear scientists discussing what they want to hear and what they base their understanding of the material world on?False. Rather: "where the scientists only want to hear about things that have measureable manifestation".
Like I said in some other thread...
"not including" something, is not the same as actively "excluding" it.
You have no right to actively try to exclude it just because you yourself don't understand and base your understanding on material things You do know that correct?
We are discussing these things with Christians on a Christian forum. The "scientists" should expect to hear about GODScience deals with physical reality, nothing more, nothing less.
Why are you here in a Christian website then.
Did you expect to only hear scientists discussing what they want to hear and what they base their understanding of the material world on?
I have no reason to.Do you regard that there even is a spiritual realm to begin with and spirits?
You have no right to actively try to exclude it
just because you yourself don't understand and base your understanding on material things
You do know that correct?
We aren't talking about science and religion which are both simply schools of thought on how a man understands and communicates how he behaves and relates in this present existence
We are discussing science and GOD
And HE kind of trumps every thing
We aren't talking about science and religion which are both simply schools of thought on how a man understands and communicates how he behaves and relates in this present existence
We are discussing science and GOD
And HE kind of trumps every thing
I still don't understand. What does that have to do with IC?We were like sheep who had gone astray. All of us. We went about our ways in a sorry state not even knowing how lost we were and with no hope
Until HOPE came
"perfect" as compared to what?
"balanced" as compared to what?
"consistent" as compared to what?
And "beauty" is subjective and in the eye of the beholder.
I don't.
We observe the same reality, but you are the one who's adding things to it, which aren't part of the observations.
I wish to find common ground also. But it's kind of a hard thing to do when one side insists on including things that aren't observable, detectable, measureable, testable, falsifiable,.... in short: indistinguishable from the non-existant or just plain old imagination.
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